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  • A Call to Trumpers/MAGA/Conservatives

    To the Trumpers/MAGA/Conservatives of the country:

    Despite everything you are being told by Trump and his sycophants, I am not your enemy. I am your fellow American citizen. We are both citizens of this country. We disagree on many things, but disagreement does not make me your enemy. In a democracy, disagreement is normal and expected.

    I do not agree with your position on abortion. I do not agree with your views on guns. I do not agree with your views on religion, or diversity, school choice, or “America First” or any of a number of things. None of those things make me your enemy. They only make me a fellow citizen who disagrees with you.

    That means we need to have a discussion. We need to exchange views. We need to talk, debate, even argue. Then, when the time comes to make a decision, we need to arrive at a reasonable compromise. If we don’t, then one of us will get everything we want and the other will get nothing. A compromise is better. For any issue, do you want to lose it completely? I certainly don’t. I’m willing to give ground if we can find a path.

    You don’t have to “take your country back.” It didn’t go anywhere. It belongs to you. It belongs to me. It belongs to all of us who call ourselves “citizens.” If you aren’t getting what you want, welcome to the club. In a democracy, none of us do. In a democracy, we have to recognize that there are a lot of views and a lot of wants; nobody gets to have it “all their way.”

    That is the greatest danger that your chosen candidate represents. He’s not calling for us to talk, to discuss, to debate. He’s calling for you to hate those who disagree with you. He assigns a childish taunt to anyone who disagrees with him, or thinks he is a bad thing for this country. He is calling for you to let go of your ethical norms and simply succumb to being a troll and a member of his cult of personality.

    See him for what he is, and the danger he represents. Resist the siren song of the victim. That is what he is, after all. He’s being “victimized” by the deep state. He’s being “victimized” by the courts. He’s being “victimized” by liberals, by women who have called him out on his sexism, by the press, by former staffers who have turned against him, by Republicans who resist what he is doing to the party and the country. Listen to how often he tells you “it’s unfair.” That’s not the language of a leader. It’s the pout of a toddler. Your instinct to avoid the language of victimization is a good one - so see it in your leader. It’s there.

    Reject his call to turn against your fellow citizens. Put down your arms, both physically and verbally. Join back into this grand experiment we call “America.” Together, we can make America great. It won’t be “great again” because America has always been a mixture of greatness and not-so-greatness. But we can work together to make America greater than it is or has been.

    Think about it.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

  • #2
    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    To the Trumpers/MAGA/Conservatives of the country:

    Despite everything you are being told by Trump and his sycophants, I am not your enemy. I am your fellow American citizen. We are both citizens of this country. We disagree on many things, but disagreement does not make me your enemy. In a democracy, disagreement is normal and expected.

    I do not agree with your position on abortion. I do not agree with your views on guns. I do not agree with your views on religion, or diversity, school choice, or “America First” or any of a number of things. None of those things make me your enemy. They only make me a fellow citizen who disagrees with you.

    That means we need to have a discussion. We need to exchange views. We need to talk, debate, even argue. Then, when the time comes to make a decision, we need to arrive at a reasonable compromise. If we don’t, then one of us will get everything we want and the other will get nothing. A compromise is better. For any issue, do you want to lose it completely? I certainly don’t. I’m willing to give ground if we can find a path.

    You don’t have to “take your country back.” It didn’t go anywhere. It belongs to you. It belongs to me. It belongs to all of us who call ourselves “citizens.” If you aren’t getting what you want, welcome to the club. In a democracy, none of us do. In a democracy, we have to recognize that there are a lot of views and a lot of wants; nobody gets to have it “all their way.”

    That is the greatest danger that your chosen candidate represents. He’s not calling for us to talk, to discuss, to debate. He’s calling for you to hate those who disagree with you. He assigns a childish taunt to anyone who disagrees with him, or thinks he is a bad thing for this country. He is calling for you to let go of your ethical norms and simply succumb to being a troll and a member of his cult of personality.

    See him for what he is, and the danger he represents. Resist the siren song of the victim. That is what he is, after all. He’s being “victimized” by the deep state. He’s being “victimized” by the courts. He’s being “victimized” by liberals, by women who have called him out on his sexism, by the press, by former staffers who have turned against him, by Republicans who resist what he is doing to the party and the country. Listen to how often he tells you “it’s unfair.” That’s not the language of a leader. It’s the pout of a toddler. Your instinct to avoid the language of victimization is a good one - so see it in your leader. It’s there.

    Reject his call to turn against your fellow citizens. Put down your arms, both physically and verbally. Join back into this grand experiment we call “America.” Together, we can make America great. It won’t be “great again” because America has always been a mixture of greatness and not-so-greatness. But we can work together to make America greater than it is or has been.

    Think about it.
    You need to talk to people like JimL or oxmixmudd as well. Treating the other side as if they are enemies is NOT a one-sided affair.

    Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN27I15T/


    When lifelong Democrat Mayra Gomez told her 21-year-old son five months ago that she was voting for Donald Trump in Tuesday's presidential election, he cut her out of his life.

    "He specifically told me, 'You are no longer my mother, because you are voting for Trump'," Gomez, 41, a personal care worker in Milwaukee, told Reuters. Their last conversation was so bitter that she is not sure they can reconcile, even if Trump loses his re-election bid.

    © Copyright Original Source




    Source: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/state/dating-new-york-trump/

    It’s your typical midtown Manhattan happy-hour crowd: Groups of co-workers with buckets of beer, a family of tourists and a couple at the bar enjoying the tense chemistry of a successful-looking early date. It’s loud, the Yankees are playing the Red Sox and the doors are pulled back to allow the unseasonably cool summer air drift in from 32nd Street.
    An engaging blonde woman in her late twenties is sharing her dating misfortunes with the group.

    “I told him I voted for Trump in the primaries, he practically asked for the check,” she says. “I was like, ‘ok, I thought we were having fun.’”

    It wasn’t the best date she’d ever been on, but not the worst (this is New York after all). But at first mention of her support for President Donald Trump, her Tinder match mentally checked out. “I could tell after I said that that he just wanted to get out of there and I thought it was surprising, especially since he said he leaned a little more right anyway,” this woman said. “I just said, ‘ok, nice to meet you.’”

    © Copyright Original Source




    Source: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-cutting-off-relatives_n_5d448ed4e4b0ca604e31f5ba

    It Might Be Time To Cut My Right-Wing, Trump-Loving In-Laws Out Of My Kids’ Lives

    © Copyright Original Source




    Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/we-no-longer-need-to-engage-with-trumps-die-hard-supporters/617449/

    Engaging With Trump’s Die-Hard Supporters Isn’t Productive
    The loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories should be deprived of the attention they seek.

    © Copyright Original Source


    Last edited by CivilDiscourse; 05-13-2024, 01:11 PM.

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    • #3
      Carpe, do you see Biden as a unifier?
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        carpe's pompous screeds are always good for a laugh. Liberals have basically returned to the "Trump is a cartoon villain" narrative from the early days of his first campaign.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
          To the Trumpers/MAGA/Conservatives of the country:

          Despite everything you are being told by Trump and his sycophants, I am not your enemy. I am your fellow American citizen. We are both citizens of this country. We disagree on many things, but disagreement does not make me your enemy. In a democracy, disagreement is normal and expected.

          I do not agree with your position on abortion. I do not agree with your views on guns. I do not agree with your views on religion, or diversity, school choice, or “America First” or any of a number of things. None of those things make me your enemy. They only make me a fellow citizen who disagrees with you.

          That means we need to have a discussion. We need to exchange views. We need to talk, debate, even argue. Then, when the time comes to make a decision, we need to arrive at a reasonable compromise. If we don’t, then one of us will get everything we want and the other will get nothing. A compromise is better. For any issue, do you want to lose it completely? I certainly don’t. I’m willing to give ground if we can find a path.

          You don’t have to “take your country back.” It didn’t go anywhere. It belongs to you. It belongs to me. It belongs to all of us who call ourselves “citizens.” If you aren’t getting what you want, welcome to the club. In a democracy, none of us do. In a democracy, we have to recognize that there are a lot of views and a lot of wants; nobody gets to have it “all their way.”
          Good start. I agree that we can be friends and disagree and be fellow patriots who love our country.


          That is the greatest danger that your chosen candidate represents. He’s not calling for us to talk, to discuss, to debate. He’s calling for you to hate those who disagree with you. He assigns a childish taunt to anyone who disagrees with him, or thinks he is a bad thing for this country. He is calling for you to let go of your ethical norms and simply succumb to being a troll and a member of his cult of personality.

          See him for what he is, and the danger he represents. Resist the siren song of the victim. That is what he is, after all. He’s being “victimized” by the deep state. He’s being “victimized” by the courts. He’s being “victimized” by liberals, by women who have called him out on his sexism, by the press, by former staffers who have turned against him, by Republicans who resist what he is doing to the party and the country. Listen to how often he tells you “it’s unfair.” That’s not the language of a leader. It’s the pout of a toddler. Your instinct to avoid the language of victimization is a good one - so see it in your leader. It’s there.

          Reject his call to turn against your fellow citizens. Put down your arms, both physically and verbally. Join back into this grand experiment we call “America.” Together, we can make America great. It won’t be “great again” because America has always been a mixture of greatness and not-so-greatness. But we can work together to make America greater than it is or has been.

          Think about it.
          Then you go off the rails and instead of trying to bring us together, you start attacking Trump. While I don't actually like Trump, the characterization the left imposes on him is of the cartoon villain kind. It's like you see Trump sitting in a big chair petting a bald cat and chewing on his pinky fingernail.

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          • #6
            He lost me at "sycophants". Nothing like an insult in the first sentence.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post

              Despite everything you are being told by Trump and his sycophants, I am not your enemy. I am your fellow American citizen. We are both citizens of this country. We disagree on many things, but disagreement does not make me your enemy. In a democracy, disagreement is normal and expected.
              Maybe Biden and elected Dems should stop calling Trump voters Fascist and Nazis. That would be a nice start...
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #8
                I guess we're just going to memory-hole the backlash against conservative speech and the efforts to cancel it. I guess we're going to memory-hole Hillary calling people "deplorables". I guess we're going to memory-hole the Left shutting down discourse of Covid. I guess we're going to memory-hole school board shutting down the speech of parents over pornographic material in schools. I guess we're going to memory-hole teachers shutting out parents while coaching their children.


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                C) I win.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                  I guess we're just going to memory-hole the backlash against conservative speech and the efforts to cancel it. I guess we're going to memory-hole Hillary calling people "deplorables". I guess we're going to memory-hole the Left shutting down discourse of Covid. I guess we're going to memory-hole school board shutting down the speech of parents over pornographic material in schools. I guess we're going to memory-hole teachers shutting out parents while coaching their children.
                  Not to mention the Left muzzling Trump and tying him up in courtrooms while Biden wanders the campaign trail.

                  Such an even playing field.

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                  • #10
                    There is a point where views are so different that no meaningful discussion can take place. You've reached that point with your constant sprint further to the left.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                      There is a point where views are so different that no meaningful discussion can take place. You've reached that point with your constant sprint further to the left.
                      I don't think we are there yet, but it needs to be treated more as couples counseling as opposed to an intervention.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                        Not to mention the Left muzzling Trump and tying him up in courtrooms while Biden wanders the campaign trail.

                        Such an even playing field.
                        Can't really help with that. He doesn't get to be above the law just because he's a presidential candidate.

                        Besides, the trial seems to be helping him more than hurting him. He gets far more press than his opponents, and has less time to say stupid things. (The fact that a lot of people think he's being railroaded probably doesn't make much difference, since those people were going to vote for him anyway.)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                          Can't really help with that. He doesn't get to be above the law just because he's a presidential candidate.

                          Besides, the trial seems to be helping him more than hurting him. He gets far more press than his opponents, and has less time to say stupid things. (The fact that a lot of people think he's being railroaded probably doesn't make much difference, since those people were going to vote for him anyway.)
                          I think there's truth to political motivation, especially in the Bragg case. This is SUCH a unique and novel take on the law that it beggars belief to say that it was anything other than a prosecutor looking for a crime to prosecute.

                          Honestly, the best case against Trump IMO is the classified docs case. That's mainly because he did it to himself.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                            Can't really help with that. He doesn't get to be above the law just because he's a presidential candidate.
                            So, you don't find the timing of these nuisance suits to be awfully convenient for Biden?

                            Besides, the trial seems to be helping him more than hurting him. He gets far more press than his opponents, and has less time to say stupid things. (The fact that a lot of people think he's being railroaded probably doesn't make much difference, since those people were going to vote for him anyway.)
                            That's a byproduct his detractors weren't counting on.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                              I don't think we are there yet, but it needs to be treated more as couples counseling as opposed to an intervention.
                              I meant more specifically with regard to carpedm9587. He was already pretty far to the left, but now he's at a point where it's not really possible to have a conversation anymore.

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