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AstraZeneca admits in court its Covid jab can cause deadly blood clotting

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  • #31
    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

    And executives who get fired have "decided to pursue other opportunities" or leave "to spend more time with families" Politicians who get caught in a lie "Misspoke" or "Misremembered"
    Sometimes, executives actually do decide to pursue other opportunities, or leave to spend more time with families.

    ​​​​​​Despite media reports and social media speculation, AstraZeneca has withdrawn the vaccine, but not recalled it.

    A recall, which would mean the medication was removed from shelves, typically takes place when there are safety concerns, defects, or regulatory issues posing risks to public health. A withdrawal means that the vaccine is no longer being actively manufactured or supplied by the company.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Stoic View Post

      Sometimes, executives actually do decide to pursue other opportunities, or leave to spend more time with families.

      ​​​​​​Despite media reports and social media speculation, AstraZeneca has withdrawn the vaccine, but not recalled it.

      A recall, which would mean the medication was removed from shelves, typically takes place when there are safety concerns, defects, or regulatory issues posing risks to public health. A withdrawal means that the vaccine is no longer being actively manufactured or supplied by the company.

      source
      And it just so happens that this withdrawal is happening after the company was forced to admit in court that its vaccine is responsible for numerous serious injuries the deaths:

      AstraZeneca admitted in February that the vaccine can, in very rare cases, cause Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome - which has been linked to more than 80 deaths in Britain as well as hundreds of serious injuries.
      ​​​​​​
      More than 50 alleged victims and grieving relatives are currently suing the company in a High Court case.

      However, AstraZeneca denies that the decision to withdraw the vaccine is related to the court case, insisting that the vaccine is instead being removed from markets for commercial reasons.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rt-papers.html

      What a coincidence!
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Stoic View Post

        Sometimes, executives actually do decide to pursue other opportunities, or leave to spend more time with families.

        ​​​​​​Despite media reports and social media speculation, AstraZeneca has withdrawn the vaccine, but not recalled it.

        A recall, which would mean the medication was removed from shelves, typically takes place when there are safety concerns, defects, or regulatory issues posing risks to public health. A withdrawal means that the vaccine is no longer being actively manufactured or supplied by the company.

        source
        This is where the goalpost shifts. The claim wasn't that a recall was made, the claim was that there was a connection to the decision to withdraw the medication and the revelation that it does have a serious negative side effect.

        The existence of serious negative side effects of drugs is not enough to issue a recall otherwise 99.999% of the drugs on the market would be recalled, as all have potential serious negative side effects. But...deciding a to pull a drug that has better alternatives when there's negative press about it? Trusting the companies word on WHY is about at great as simply saying "Bill wasn't lying, he told me he was telling the truth"

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        • #34
          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
          This is where the goalpost shifts. The claim wasn't that a recall was made, the claim was that there was a connection to the decision to withdraw the medication and the revelation that it does have a serious negative side effect.
          I believe the claim was that there was a connection to the decision to withdraw the medication and the admission in court by AstraZeneca that the vaccine can cause TTS.

          Originally posted by VonTastrophe View Post
          Pharmaceutical corporation admits that in rare and specific conditions, a vaccine might kill you.
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          You kinda sorta left out the "in court".
          Originally posted by Stoic View Post
          Why would that matter?
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Evidently it matters enough that this vaccine is withdrawn from the market globally.

          ​​​​​​​

          The existence of serious negative side effects of drugs is not enough to issue a recall otherwise 99.999% of the drugs on the market would be recalled, as all have potential serious negative side effects. But...deciding a to pull a drug that has better alternatives when there's negative press about it? Trusting the companies word on WHY is about at great as simply saying "Bill wasn't lying, he told me he was telling the truth"
          I believe they said they decided to pull it because there were better alternatives. I don't know that the negative press had anything to do with it.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Stoic View Post
            I believe they said they decided to pull it because there were better alternatives. I don't know that the negative press had anything to do with it.
            Nor do you know that it didn't.

            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              Nor do you know that it didn't.
              But it's pretty obvious that they did.

              "We're not pulling our product from market just because we admitted in court that it's dangerous but because our new and improved product is better! Come on, you can trust us."
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                Nor do you know that it didn't.
                So no reason to believe they are lying.

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                • #38

                  Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                  So no reason to believe they are lying.


                  That was a good one! ALWAYS trust BigPharma - always.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post




                    That was a good one! ALWAYS trust BigPharma - always.
                    I wouldn't say ALWAYS. But when there is no evidence that they are lying, and no risk to you or anyone else from believing them, why not?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                      I wouldn't say ALWAYS. But when there is no evidence that they are lying, and no risk to you or anyone else from believing them, why not?
                      Have a lovely evening, Stoic.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        Have a lovely evening, Stoic.
                        Thank you. I hope you have a lovely evening, too.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                          Thank you. I hope you have a lovely evening, too.
                          It was a nice cool evening in Texas, and I slept quite well. A new day, a new opportunity... I think I'll clean out my garage!
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #43
                            For interest and possible balance: https://theconversation.com/astrazen...rmation-229653

                            The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was a critical part of the COVID-19 pandemic response. However, on May 7 2024, the European Commission announced the vaccine is no longer authorised for use.

                            This EU announcement was preceded by an application from AstraZeneca on March 27 2024 to withdraw the EU marketing authorisation. This development has been covered in various media outlets as primarily related to the known “adverse events”, namely a very small risk of blood clots. However, other factors are far more likely to be driving this decision.

                            The first AstraZeneca vaccine dose, outside of clinical trials, was administered on January 4 2021. In that year, about 2.5 billion doses were administered, and an estimated 6.3 million lives saved.

                            It was a key product at the peak of the pandemic. This includes during the emergence of the delta variant in India, across the first half of 2021 where, amid significant global supply issues, the AstraZeneca vaccine was one of the few tools available during that humanitarian crisis.
                            This COVID vaccine, like those from Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax and others, went through the appropriate levels of testing. The phase 3 trials (where the vaccine is tested on thousands of people) showed the AstraZeneca product was safe and effective. It was distributed in many countries in Europe in early 2021, including the UK.

                            The potential adverse events related to blood clots were publicly reported in February 2021, with, for example, the UK government and the drugs regulator (the MHRA) then publishing a statement about its continued use on March 18 2021.

                            Amid speculation and investigation, the European Medicines Agency and the World Health Organization both highlighted how the benefits of the vaccine greatly outweighed any possible risks.

                            This was a time when COVID levels were extremely high, and getting higher, with around 4 million confirmed new cases globally per week.

                            It is well established that COVID itself caused a significantly increased risk of these related blood clots and also thrombocytopenia (low platelet count). An August 2021, analysis of 30 million vaccinated people in the UK showed that the risks of thrombocytopenic events were much higher following a COVID infection, compared with any COVID-related vaccine.

                            From that study, the British Heart Foundation describe how for every 10 million people who are vaccinated with AstraZeneca, there are 66 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and seven extra cases of a rare type of blood clot in the brain. By comparisons, infection with COVID is estimated to cause 12,614 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 20 cases of rare blood clots in the brain.

                            To put this into some perspective, these vaccine-associated blood clot rates are much lower than many widely prescribed medicines. For example, the combined contraception pill, prescribed widely to women, has blood clot-related risks of around one in 1,000. With women taking postmenopausal hormone therapy, around one in 300 per year are likely to develop a blood clot.

                            Poor public profile

                            The AstraZeneca vaccine did suffer from a poor public profile, arguably much of it undeserved. There was some poor quality reporting in Germany in January 2021, with claims that the vaccine was only “8% effective in the elderly”. This claim was widely repeated, but it turns out that 8% figure referred to the percentage of people aged over 65 years in the study and not the efficacy measure.

                            The antivaccine lobby had a field day with fuelling the “infodemic”, including other false claims such as fabricated links between the vaccine and female infertility. As with the blood clots, COVID infection is known to increase the risks of infertility, but there is no link between infertility and the vaccine.

                            For individuals and families likely to have been injured by any medicine, including any of the COVID vaccines, compensation schemes are available. Many claimants report difficulties and frustrations with accessing the compensation. This is an area where the government-led schemes should be more transparent, and also where the misinformation from the anti-vaccine lobby hinders those groups they are claiming to support.

                            So, why would AstraZeneca withdraw this high-profile product? One reason for the withdrawal is likely to be that other COVID vaccines, such as Pfizer and Moderna, are essentially better products.

                            AstraZeneca is very good, but the mRNA versions have better effectiveness and safety levels.

                            The initial concerns around the difficulties of the specialist refrigeration needed to transport and store the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been overcome, including in low-income countries. The mRNA vaccines are also easier to update when new variants emerge.

                            With those factors, orders for the AstraZeneca vaccine are probably much lower now than they were in previous years. It is being overlooked in favour of better-performing vaccines.

                            For the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine, perhaps its time has indeed passed. But it has been a safe and effective vaccine and a key part of the pandemic response for most countries around the world.

                            Correction. The sentence that read: It is well established that COVID itself caused a significantly increased risk of these related blood clots (thrombocytopenia). Now says: It is well established that COVID itself caused a significantly increased risk of these related blood clots and also thrombocytopenia (low platelet count).

                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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