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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd now you're being intellectually dishonest. I told you specifically how and why and even directed you to some topics of study to help you understand the reasoning. That you're too ignorant to even read about high context cultures and graded absolutism is not my problem.Last edited by Charles; 08-08-2017, 03:41 PM.
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Relevant interpretation from John Chrysostom (note this translation uses "power" instead of "authority"):
"For there is no power, he says, but of God. What say you? It may be said; is every ruler then elected by God? This I do not say, he answers. Nor am I now speaking about individual rulers, but about the thing in itself. For that there should be rulers, and some rule and others be ruled, and that all things should not just be carried on in one confusion, the people swaying like waves in this direction and that; this, I say, is the work of God's wisdom. Hence he does not say, for there is no ruler but of God; but it is the thing he speaks of, and says, there is no power but of God. And the powers that be, are ordained of God. Thus when a certain wise man says, It is by the Lord that a man is matched with a woman, he means this, God made marriage, and not that it is He that joins together every man that comes to be with a woman. For we see many that come to be with one another for evil, even by the law of marriage, and this we should not ascribe to God."
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostI did read it. But there is still no answer as to why you would say "every person" if it does not go for every person. Why use expressions that would cause such a confusion. And how do you know you are not confused on other areas reagarding salvation and other important parts? You never really got around those problems. It's easy to point to concepts or methods of interpretation but to give a text intepretation using the methods and the concepts is a lot harder. And the last part you have not been able to do. You have not shown why the text needs to use these words instead of other to give an important point. No explanation of what seems a contradiction either.
You say I "never really got around [other] problems" but never bothered to say exactly what those problems are. Tell me, Chuckles, what problems are caused by a contextualized approach to Biblical interpretation? Do you have any examples? It's time to get off your lazy butt and do some intellectual leg-work, because simply crying, "But- but- you could be wrong!" isn't an argument. You think I'm wrong? Then put up or shut up.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAgain, there is broad agreement on the central tenets, so I don't really see the issue. The Bible never promises that all believers will be unified in their thoughts. Furthermore, I reject the implied argument that since there is a variety of proposed interpretations that no single interpretation is correct, or that the correct interpretation can never be known.
Funny how skeptics never propose that sort of thinking when it comes to issues of science. Instead, they will claim that through additional research and study, we can get closer to or even arrive at the truth. Well guess what? The same thing is true for theological studies.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt is a convention of human language that context matters. "I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse!" Is that a literal statement? What does it really mean? How do you know? What about when your friend says, "You should have come to my party, because everybody was there!" Why would she say "everybody" if she didn't literally mean everybody? Why use an expression that could cause such confusion? Or is there some higher context that allows you to discern her meaning? Those same linguistic conventions don't suddenly go away just because you're dealing with the Bible.
You say I "never really got around [other] problems" but never bothered to say exactly what those problems are. Tell me, Chuckles, what problems are caused by a contextualized approach to Biblical interpretation? Do you have any examples? It's time to get off your lazy butt and do some intellectual leg-work, because simply crying, "But- but- you could be wrong!" isn't an argument. You think I'm wrong? Then put up or shut up.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostStill not confronting the issue. Why does it say every person when it does not go for every person? People were killed because of this. The lazy guy is you. I keep asking the same question and you point to simple facts already known and attack my person. Answer related to the text. Everyone can point to context. Jehovas Witnesses do that too. You need to show how it applies to the actual text. Can you do that?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View PostStill not confronting the issue. Why does it say every person when it does not go for every person? People were killed because of this. The lazy guy is you. I keep asking the same question and you point to simple facts already known and attack my person. Answer related to the text. Everyone can point to context. Jehovas Witnesses do that too. You need to show how it applies to the actual text. Can you do that?
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Charles View PostWow... I already pointed to who wrote it. But anyway where I live it is quite usual to call the books by the name they have got in the Bible. Now, let's get back on topic. I am tired of you always attacking me on all other aspects than the subject matter.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah well it is called "Romans" or "the book of Romans," not "The Romans" which you kept calling it. It is pretty clear you are not familiar with it at all.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's like arguing with my kids. They ask me a question. I answer their question. They don't like the answer so ask me again, I give the same answer. They still don't like it, so they ask again...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt's like arguing with my kids. They ask me a question. I answer their question. They don't like the answer so ask me again, I give the same answer. They still don't like it, so they ask again...
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