Mueller impanels grand jury, is granted subpoenas

[Tassman]

So, you've already decided it's going to trial? Weren't you one of the ones pretending to "wait to see where the facts lead"?

The trial will do that.

[Starlight]

As Bill said we aren't a pure democracy our founding fathers knew that a pure democracy would be a terrible system of government and developed a Constitutionally protected Republic which has been stable for 250 years.

~facepalm~

1. Subsequent history proved the US founding fathers wrong: There has never been anything found to be wrong with pure democracy. I live in a country that has no constitution and has had a democracy for the entirety of its 150 year existence just fine. Today we consistently rank as one of the freest and happiest countries in the world. Other countries such as the UK and Israel have no constitution, and their democracies work just fine too. Switzerland has a very direct democracy with the entire nation regularly voting directly on policies, and that works just fine too. So it has turned out that the US founding fathers were wrong, and a constitution wasn't actually necessary and democracy by itself works just fine.

2. Your country hasn't "been stable for 250 years". You literally had a civil war. That's not 'stable'.

3. History has found that other countries trying to copy your constitution don't do very well. The particular system of government your constitution outlines is unstable, because it tends to lead to two parties becoming completely gridlocked and then the government ends up with shutdowns. In other countries this has led the executive branch to step in to resolve the crisis, essentially seizing power for themselves and becoming a dictator. Efforts to copy the US constitution by other countries have now largely been abandoned as a result, in favor of other countries copying Canada's constitution, which is the modern model.

our system built on that "ridiculous" Constitution slavery and subsequently cheap immigrant labor has made us rich enough to go to the aid of other countries when disasters strike them

You realize that all other Western countries give foreign aid too? Some at much higher rates than the US.

No we Americans have the Constitutional view that a person is innocent until proven guilty that includes our President.

His own words condemn him: He says he fired Comey in order to try to shut down Comey's investigation into his Russian connections. That's literally admitting to obstruction of justice. The emails that his son released show his son literally replying "love it" when told that the Russian government wants to help Trump win the election.

It's not like this is wild speculation like it was with Clinton. There's actually concrete evidence of wrongdoing here.

[Mountain Man]

There's actually concrete evidence of wrongdoing here.

Yes, the evidence is so concrete that Mueller has been forced to abandon his original mandate and cast his nets far and wide in the desperate hope that he can find something, anything, to pin on Trump.

It's practically an open-and-shut case.

[Mountain Man]

In fact, Mueller's investigation is apparently so unfocused that the President's own lawyers aren't even sure what he's investigating.

[Cow Poke]

I wonder if Trump and his people will lie through their teeth about the nature of the questions asked them by Mueller like the Clintonistas did about Starr.

How many times will they be absent-minded, like Hillary's "I don't recall"?

[Cow Poke]

The trial will do that.

Well, heck, you've already assumed there's gonna be a trial, so -- so much for your phony "wait and see" claims.

[rogue06]

How many times will they be absent-minded, like Hillary's "I don't recall"?

Only a certain few can get away with saying that. Just ask Scooter Libby.

[Cow Poke]

Only a certain few can get away with saying that. Just ask Scooter Libby.

Scooter Libby? Sorry, I don't recall.

[psstein]

I don't know what's funnier, Starlight's "impeccable logic" or his historical illiteracy.

[rogue06]

Scooter Libby? Sorry, I don't recall.

You better scoot.

[Mountain Man]

I don't know what's funnier, Starlight's "impeccable logic" or his historical illiteracy.

He has an acute case of Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

Reading his comments, you'd never know he was talking about the most powerful and prosperous nation on earth.

[Starlight]

I don't know what's funnier, Starlight's "impeccable logic" or his historical illiteracy.

Stick to arguing that Jesus existed in the Apologetics forum. You're clearly waaaaaay out of your depth and completely ignorant when it comes to the things you post in this forum.

[Mountain Man]

Stick to arguing that Jesus existed in the Apologetics forum. You're clearly waaaaaay out of your depth and completely ignorant when it comes to the things you post in this forum.

I think every irony meter in the world just exploded.

[rogue06]

Stick to arguing that Jesus existed in the Apologetics forum. You're clearly waaaaaay out of your depth and completely ignorant when it comes to the things you post in this forum.

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[psstein]

Stick to arguing that Jesus existed in the Apologetics forum. You're clearly waaaaaay out of your depth and completely ignorant when it comes to the things you post in this forum.

Pot, meet kettle. I'm a centrist according to pretty much everyone who actually knows me. Then again, you consistently show that facts aren't your friend.

I have a very low tolerance for nonsense. And by the way, I don't think I've ever had to argue that Jesus existed in Apologetics.