Transgenderism, with an Emphasis on Children

[rogue06]

With the death culture we have today, the answer would be that they would help her starve to death.

Prolly prescribe her ipecac or emetine.

[seer]

Ahhh...if only sex and gender were as simple as you want to paint it here. They're not. This post seems to reflect a crude, binary understanding of sexual identity: XY vs XX, sex as a physical attribute, etc. The science tells us it is not so simple. There is not only XX and XY, there is XXX, and XXY - known as trisomies. There are Quadsomines and Quintsomies as well. It is also possible for genes normally encoded on either the X or Y chromosome to migrate to the other chromosome. Those are the genetic variants. Then there is the whole world of psycho-social conditioning. There is the whole world brain mapping, which we are just beginning to get a glimmer about. And the list goes on.

This reductionist argument of your simply does not reflect the complexity of human sexuality and cognition. It is an effort to force binary thinking on a non-binary, complex reality.

Well actually it is pretty binary - you either have sperm or an egg, barring a physical defect. Chromosomes are secondary trats.

[Cerebrum123]

I will look into some of the resources you have pointed to here. I have to admit to hesitation about any argument that is premised on "it happened to me." Anecdotes are not adequate to make a statistical claim. All I derive from you anecdote about experiencing being "pushed" into GAC is a) it happens, and b) it happened to you. I gain no information about the prevalence of the phenomenon, or the nature of the "pushing."

The argument isn't premised on "it happened to me," although people have tried to push the ideology onto me quite a bit and I've seen it pushed on people. The argument is premised on pattern recognition and the statistics regarding Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria. Depression, ADHD, Autism, and numerous other disorders make one significantly more susceptible to Gender Dysphoria. With autism, it is a 10-20% higher chance of it happening. This is being taken advantage of and I see it happening constantly. The vast majority of detransitioners are autistic, ADHD, homosexual, or were sexually abused. Sometimes all of those factors come into play at the same time. GAC can't meaningfully help those people and as much as 70% of the people who have detransitioned have done so because their GD was not relieved by transitioning or any form of GAC.

From that linked study we also have this.

"With the increase in numbers of persons presenting for gender-affirming care, shift to informed consent, likely reduced proportion of TGD people receiving an adequate mental health evaluation, and a change in the distribution of TGD people to more assigned female at birth and nonbinary individuals, there is reason to believe that the numbers of detransitioners may increase. It is quite possible that low reported rates of detransition and regret in previous populations will no longer apply to current populations. More research is needed to compare care and outcomes between the less restrictive informed consent model and the stricter interdisciplinary model pioneered in the Netherlands. Although the rates of discontinuing hormones and detransition may change over time, our compassionate care can remain a constant."

Your first statement needs substantiation. Meanwhile, I would point you to a range of studies that suggest the opposite, many of which are cited here: https://link.springer.com/book/10.10...-3-030-38909-3. The work is a compilation edited by pediatric specialists in youth gender identity. It's one of the better resources I have found.

Well, let's see here. Just recently they reversed course in numerous European countries with regard to their GAC policies. Recent studies have shown that puberty blockers, which have been touted as reversible, are much more likely to be irreversible than the trans activists would have you believe. The NHS says there is no solid evidence of their safety and effectiveness. Even the BBC has had to say that there is low evidence that puberty blockers help trans people. Despite this, we are constantly told that they are perfectly reversible and very effective.

Not everything I put into a response necessarily responds to something someone said. My statement about GAS vs GAC is a case in point. I didn't say you you equated them; I was merely adding a clarification on my use of language. As for the "deny GAC to all trans people," if this is not what you are suggesting, then it would seem to follow that you do not have a problem with trans people and with them getting appropriate GAC. Is that correct? If it is correct, than I am not sure I understand the purpose of your responses. They sound very "anti-trans" to me.

I don't think someone should be getting GAC but due to how unpleasant GD is I'm not against allowing adults to pursue it. I don't have your trust in the medical industry for many, many reasons. What I am not okay with is Gender Identity Ideology. It is harmful to everyone, especially people with GD.

I would need to see substantiation of that first claim. I would need to know what "safeguards" you believe have been removed. I would need to know the source of your 80-95% claim. This gets to my reason for distinguishing between GAC and GAS. When someone receives GAC, it does not automatically mean that they are going to progress down the road to being trans. As I said in a different post, when the internal sense of gender does not align with the outer manifestation of sexual identity, to eliminate the dysphoria you either have to align the inner with the outer or the outer with the inner. GAC is about that alignment. I don't have statistics, but I have to believe that some percentage of those receiving GAC have their inner sense aligned with their outer manifestation through counseling and possibly psychiatry. Since most doctors will take the "least invasive" option first, it would make sense that this is what is prioritized, and that aligns with the Amsterdam protocols. Only a percentage (I wish I had a number) move on to having their outer aligned with their inner. Of those, only a percentage resort to surgeries. Of those, only a percentage resort to sexual reassignment. In the U.S., from 2016-2020, that was a total of about 5,000 people across the board - or 0.0015% of our population.

People are being given cross-sex hormones after a measly 2 hours and sometimes are even told they can get GAS in a single appointment. It used to take years before people could even consider the hormones for treatment and after all other alternatives had been exhausted. That is increasingly not the case. The same is true of the continuation down the path of transitioning. The least invasive option first mentality has been abandoned in some areas due to activism, profit, and likely eugenics. The Tavistock* Institute, a major proponent of puberty blockers, their study has 98% of people who go on puberty blockers go on to cross-sex hormones. When the number of people referred for treatment for GD went from 250 to around 5,000 that is a huge increase. That is an increase of around 2,000% in just 10 years. The number of people identifying as transgender has shot up to 300,000.

*Sigh, it figures Tavistock is pushing this. If social engineering and experimenting on people is going on, regardless of whether or not it is being done ethically, you can bet they are involved.

[Cerebrum123]

I think you may have misread or misinterpreted. Having the inner sense of gender not aligned with the outer manifestation of sex is indeed a disorder - it's called "gender dysphoria." What we don't know is if it is a "mental disorder." It could be a physiological one. It could be rooted in genetics. It could be rooted in psycho-social issues. It could be some combination of those things or something else entirely. The point is, we do not definitively know what causes transgenderism. Yes, we have seen it associated with sexual abuse cases. Yes, we have seen it associated with depression. We have a whole host of associations, but no one can tell you that we definitively know the causes; it is simply too early in the science for those kinds of definitive statements.

You stated that it might just be "a normal but rare way the brain works". This suggests that it might not even be a disorder at all. None of the rest of what you stated even makes sense. Psycho-social disorders are mental disorders, and all mental disorders have an underlying physiological cause. Whether this is hormonal, genetic, structural, or all three doesn't matter. The one thing that links all cases of Gender Dysphoria is an underlying mental disorder. That's why it is in the DSM-V. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

Look - giving a name for something, knowing associations, and even having a treatment plan doesn't mean we understand a disease. When my youngest was in middle school, he went blind in one eye - out of the blue. The doctors told us his optical nerve had swollen to the point of compromising the blood supply. Using steroids, they reduced the inflammation and most of his sight came back (though his color saturation and peripheral vision were compromised somewhat). It happened multiple times over the next few years, but we were always able to spot it early and get him in for treatment before the nerve was further compromised. The doctor's searched high and low for a cause. They came up with nothing. On our way to the doctor's one day, and drawing on my own medical history, I said to my wife, "I think we need to accept that they just don't know what is going on. You can tell when that happens because you'll hear the words 'chronic' and 'recurring' in there somewhere."

When we arrived at the doctor's appointment, the doctor said, "we have arrived at a diagnosis." That got my attention. Then they said, "your son has CRION. It stands for Chronic Recurring Inflammatory Optical Neuritis." The doctor was sharp enough to catch the look I exchanged with my wife, because they quickly jumped in with, "I'll be honest with you. This is a condition with a name, but we don't really know what causes it. We know the symptoms: it usually causes visual impairment, it seems to cycle over 6-12 months, and an episode is predicted by a very particular kind of pain in the eye. We also know treatments that work to combat it: mostly massive doses of steroids. But we have no idea what causes it. Usually it lasts a few years and then disappears on its own." That is exactly what happened.

The point being, just because something has a name, and we know some things it is associated with, and we have some treatment options that seem to be effective, does not mean we understand the causes and the condition.

I have CRPS, so I know just how clueless doctors can be about a condition. However, just because we don't understand how a disorder works doesn't mean we don't understand what kind of disorder it is. There are some rare cases where they don't, but most of the time it is pretty clear whether or not something is a mental disorder as opposed to a purely physical disorder.

[seer]

Looks like Carp, was silenced...

[oxmixmudd]

Looks like Carp, was silenced...

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[oxmixmudd]

Thanks for being a caring, compassionate, and accepting parent, Jim. There's a whole lot of kids that don't get such needed support from their parents, as you know, so thanks for being there for yours.

-Sam

Kind words on this site are rare - and I thank you very much for them.

Some things we have learned through this are indeed heartbreaking - like the number of homeless teens that are castoffs from homes over their belief they are transgender. Regardless of whether we believe they are mistaken or this is a real phenomenon, they are at greatest risk if those closest to them refuse to love and accept them as who they believe themselves to be.

I cannot emphasize enough the story of the disciples wishing to call down fire from heaven on those who rejected Christ, and Christ rebuking him, telling them they know not what spirit they are of.

Source: Luke 9:54-56

When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?” But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.”] And they went on to another village.

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[seer]

Kind words on this site are rare - and I thank you very much for them.

Some things we have learned through this are indeed heartbreaking - like the number of homeless teens that are castoffs from homes over their belief they are transgender. Regardless of whether we believe they are mistaken or this is a real phenomenon, they are at greatest risk if those closest to them refuse to love and accept them as who they believe themselves to be.

I cannot emphasize enough the story of the disciples wishing to call down fire from heaven on those who rejected Christ, and Christ rebuking him, telling them they know not what spirit they are of.

Source: Luke 9:54-56

When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?” But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.”] And they went on to another village.

© Copyright Original Source

No no one here is calling fire down on Trans kids, or Trans people in general. That however does not mean that we need to feed their delusion. My six, eight, and ten year old grandchildren know that boys can not be girls or vice versa. Like they have been taught - boys have boy parts and girls have girl parts. Simple.

[Mountain Man]

No no one here is calling fire down on Trans kids, or Trans people in general. That however does not mean that we need to feed their delusion. My six, eight, and ten year old grandchildren know that boys can not be girls or vice versa. Like they have been taught - boys have boy parts and girls have girl parts. Simple.

As has become the norm for ox, he sees his fellow Christians as being the worst of the worst while he goes to great lengths to defend the conduct of sinners.

[seer]

As has become the norm for ox, he sees his fellow Christians as being the worst of the worst while he goes to great lengths to defend the conduct of sinners.

Which is sad...

[oxmixmudd]

As has become the norm for ox, he sees his fellow Christians as being the worst of the worst while he goes to great lengths to defend the conduct of sinners.

Simply not true. However, look at what you are doing here. Your statement is both false and sourced in open disdain for your own 'fellow Christian'.

Perhaps then if you are concerned about behaving properly and graciously towards fellow Christians, you could lead by example?

[Mountain Man]

Simply not true. However, look at what you are doing here. Your statement is both false and sourced in open disdain for your own 'fellow Christian'.

Perhaps then if you are concerned about behaving properly and graciously towards fellow Christians, you could lead by example?

I feel no disdain towards you. That you are so quick to assume so is a perfect example of what I said, that you see your fellow Christians as being the worst of the worst.

[oxmixmudd]

I feel no disdain towards you. That you are so quick to assume so is a perfect example of what I said, that you see your fellow Christians as being the worst of the worst.

It doesn't matter what you 'feel'. Your words were disdainful, and false to boot.

Ergo, I'm not 'assuming' anything - it's there for all to see.

Now the thing to do here is work on making ourselves better, not compounding our faults by denying they exist.

[Mountain Man]

It doesn't matter what you 'feel'. Your words were disdainful, and false to boot.

Ergo, I'm not 'assuming' anything - it's there for all to see.

Now the thing to do here is work on making ourselves better, not compounding our faults by denying they exist.

disdainful, adj. - full of or expressing contempt for someone or something regarded as unworthy or inferior : full of or expressing scorn or disdain

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disdainful

Not even close.

[oxmixmudd]

disdainful, adj. - full of or expressing contempt for someone or something regarded as unworthy or inferior : full of or expressing scorn or disdain

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disdainful

Not even close.

In a pigs eye.