Trump: No Transgenders In The Military!

[lilpixieofterror]

And that would be bad why?

None of that is bad in of itself, in fact, I could make a Goodyear tire taste good, but can't see to save my own life. I just thought it would be fun to exaggerate a bit.

[lilpixieofterror]

Oh hush and iron my shirt!

Unless you want creases in the sleeves, you don't want me to iron anything or be anywhere near sewing. Cooking on the other hand, that I can do.

[lilpixieofterror]

Has nothing to do with you being a woman lilpix, now go tell em how wrong they are! Oh, and while you're at it, I could use a beer as well. hop to!

Why would I tell them off on such a minor issue? Are you the kind of person that needs to 'win', so you upset friends and family on minor issues that don't really matter much?

[lilpixieofterror]

No, only conservative men mean it.

That's another dumb comment. I mean, I've heard more sexist comments from liberals than from conservatives. Look how many liberals spend time trying to destroy Trump's daughter. Despite the fact she's a liberal and has broken into a male dominated field. You would think liberals would be pleased that she had her fathers ear and advocates for liberal policies, but it appears hating her and making sexist comments about her is more important.

[Starlight]

Dr. McHugh's views do not appear to be shared by any significant number of psychiatrists in the western world. I guess when nobody currently in the field agrees with you, you get reduced to relying on a single overly opinioned ex-doctor. Kinda like your climate-change denial

[lilpixieofterror]

It's very simple: the people you are arguing against determine whether or not someone is delusional or has a legitimate medical issue based on evidence, while you base your decisions off behavior your do or don't like by whim. There's no difference between calling a transperson delusional and saying people with depression or autism or a susceptibility to breast cancer are delusional. They all have a medical issues with real treatment possibilities. But no, someone with no medical training who has no understanding of what genetics are and how they work and who hasn't looked at any of the evidence has decided that they are smartest, so they will belittle people different and less fortunate then they. Not only are you not affording transpeople dignity, you are not affording yourself dignity.

Would you want a person that had depression issues or difficulty in reading social clues in one of the most stressful jobs on the US, where they work with dangerous weapons and need to understand social clues? People with mental health issues or physical issues are barred from service because the military is dangerous to people with these issues. Transgendered people have more mental health issues, so why on earth would you want them in such a stressful job?

[Tassman]

My notion of human versus animal dignity is certainly not irrelevant to me. Nor do I think it should be to you or anyone else. Even if we go for your idea that they are in a classical delusion (which I don't believe), then why does it follow that none of them are better or worse? Is it not better to strive to become a woman than a dog? Is the first goal not far more worthy than the last?

Try to play a little with the words. Instead of saying: "he is in conflict with reality" you could also go for: "conflict is a reality for him". I think the latter will fit far better, given what trans people say about their own situation.

[Charles]

It depends on how define "better". Who are you to say that a man who goes to extreme lengths to look and act like a lizard is not better off than he was before? Don't you realize that every argument you use to defend transgenderism can be used to defend him? And that every argument you use against him can be used against transgenderism?

You've got a dilemma on your hands.

That is presupposing there is not a fundamental difference between humans and animals. I wonder why this is so hard to see for a Christian.

[seer]

Just as BIID is reality for some people, it too is internal. Does that make it normal or good or acceptable?

Body integrity identity disorder (BIID, also referred to as amputee identity disorder)is a psychological disorder in which an otherwise healthy individual feels that one is likened to others who are clearly, obviously disabled because of amputation in the latter case. BIID is related to xenomelia, "the dysphoric feeling that one or more limbs of one's body do not belong to one's self".[7]

BIID is typically accompanied by the desire to amputate one or more healthy limbs. It also includes the desire for other forms of disability, as in the case of a woman who intentionally blinded herself.[2] BIID can be associated with apotemnophilia, sexual arousal based on the image of one's self as an amputee. The cause of BIID is unknown. One hypothesis states that it results from a neurological failing of the brain's inner body mapping function (located in the right parietal lobe) to incorporate the affected limb in its understanding of the body's physical form.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_i...ntity_disorder

[Starlight]

Just as BIID is reality for some people, it too is internal. Does that make it normal or good or acceptable?

I don't know why you keep coming back to BIID as an example since it doesn't help your case, since if someone has serious BIID then amputation of the offending body part fixes it successfully.

In cases of BIID doctors usually find the best treatment is to alter the external body to match the internal mind (since they can alter the external body but have no great methods for altering the internal mind). Same diff with transgenderism.

[Mountain Man]

That is presupposing there is not a fundamental difference between humans and animals. I wonder why this is so hard to see for a Christian.

Talk about a fallacy of confusing the issue.

Whether there is a fundamental difference between men and animals is beside the point.

Is a man who declares that he was born the wrong gender in conflict with an incontrovertible fact of reality? Yes or no.

Is a man who declares that he was born the wrong species in conflict with an incontrovertible fact of reality? Yes or no.

[Mountain Man]

Dr. McHugh's views do not appear to be shared by any significant number of psychiatrists in the western world. I guess when nobody currently in the field agrees with you, you get reduced to relying on a single overly opinioned ex-doctor. Kinda like your climate-change denial

No response to the facts as presented by a credentialed expert, just an appeal to popularity.

The psychiatric profession has had to bend over backwards to declare that gender dysphoria and homosexuality's are not mental disordes, usually by blaming the classic symptoms of mental illness on the lack of acceptance by society when the fact is, a mentally healthy individual does not respond to external stress by, for example, engaging in self-destructive behavior or wanting to commit suicide.

It's a bit like telling a man with an obvious illness that he's fine and that it's everybody else who is really sick.

[seer]

I don't know why you keep coming back to BIID as an example since it doesn't help your case, since if someone has serious BIID then amputation of the offending body part fixes it successfully.

In cases of BIID doctors usually find the best treatment is to alter the external body to match the internal mind (since they can alter the external body but have no great methods for altering the internal mind). Same diff with transgenderism.

But you would agree that the best option would be to alter the mind, if possible. Because both are mental defects.

[Charles]

Talk about a fallacy of confusing the issue.

Whether there is a fundamental difference between men and animals is beside the point.

Is a man who declares that he was born the wrong gender in conflict with an incontrovertible fact of reality? Yes or no.

Is a man who declares that he was born the wrong species in conflict with an incontrovertible fact of reality? Yes or no.

Only a few days ago you suspected I knew nothing about logical fallacies because I refered to that fallacy. And now you refer to it yourself. So I guess you admit you were wrong?

You originally asked:

So explain this to me:

One man says, "I was born the wrong gender! I should have been a woman!"

Another man says, "I was born the wrong species! I should have been a dog!"

Psychologically speaking, what's the difference?

Now you claim "Whether there is a fundamental difference between men and animals is beside the point." So if I cannot answer that psychologically speaking there is a huge and principal difference between wanting to become another gender and wanting to become another species, then your idea that the two situations are comparable seems rather circular, don't you think? And remember Mr. Mountain Man, even if two different situations have one thing in common it certainly does not follow that they are comparable in every other respect.

[JimL]

That's another dumb comment. I mean, I've heard more sexist comments from liberals than from conservatives. Look how many liberals spend time trying to destroy Trump's daughter. Despite the fact she's a liberal and has broken into a male dominated field. You would think liberals would be pleased that she had her fathers ear and advocates for liberal policies, but it appears hating her and making sexist comments about her is more important.

Apparently you've missed the point Lilpix, and now you'll go off on your usual ridiculous tangent. Have fun. Oh Btw, where is that beer? c'mon, lets hustle!