Trump gives speech in Poland

[demi-conservative]

Isn't giving a speech about standing up for Western civilization and its values while actively undermining them, just hypocritical?

You, anti-Christian prog, talking about West and its values?

And apparently he got supporters bused in, to make sure there was a big crowd to cheer him and not boo him. Sad!

Apparently that's you swallowing Fake News of reddit again. Sad!!!!!

[Starlight]

You, anti-Christian prog, talking about West and its values?

[Sparko]

None of those things are real threats. Two of them don't even really exist. I agree though that someone doesn't have to be white to care about those things, but the movement is strongly tied to white supremacy.



Maybe, but not the same extent.

My point is that this demographic exists, is well-known to support Trump, and Trump has ties to it. His speech is clearly speaking to that group and the like-minded. It's mind boggling that people would think "Trump's speech addresses people who got him elected and continue to support him" is an insane conspiracy theory.

He was talking to the POLISH people. Not Nazis you freaking idiot. The polish people fought against Nazis. His speech was against facism and nazis and uplifting the polish people for their fight for western ideals. To claim that his speech was the exact opposite, couched in a speech that was anti nazi and fascism is completely insane. It doesn't even make any sense. Not to mention you would be saying that Trump is so intelligent and masterful that he could pull of such a stunt, after you and everyone else claims what a dolt he is.

[Mountain Man]

He was talking to the POLISH people. Not Nazis you freaking idiot. The polish people fought against Nazis. His speech was against facism and nazis and uplifting the polish people for their fight for western ideals. To claim that his speech was the exact opposite, couched in a speech that was anti nazi and fascism is completely insane. It doesn't even make any sense. Not to mention you would be saying that Trump is so intelligent and masterful that he could pull of such a stunt, after you and everyone else claims what a dolt he is.

You need the Super Secret Liberal Decoder Ring^TM to understand what the President is really saying!





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[seer]

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A crummy commercial!

[Sparko]

This claim is on the level of idiots who claim there are hidden messages in the bible. They can't get Trump on what he actually says, so they invent something and then work backwards to substitute what "he really meant" into his speech to get him to say the exact opposite of what he actually said.

wow. and of course the liberal idjuts here on tweb eat it up without a shred of evidence. Great skeptics they are. Ha.

Hey Tassman, Starlight, I have a Bigfoot I can sell you for a very cheap price.

[Mountain Man]

(This is hypothetical)

Trump: "I despise racism in all of its forms."

Liberal moron: "But we know Trump is a racist -- we just know it! -- so if we take the word 'despise' and read it as 'support' then we can get at the true intent behind his remark!"

[Psychic Missile]

He was talking to the POLISH people. Not Nazis you freaking idiot. The polish people fought against Nazis. His speech was against facism and nazis and uplifting the polish people for their fight for western ideals. To claim that his speech was the exact opposite, couched in a speech that was anti nazi and fascism is completely insane. It doesn't even make any sense. Not to mention you would be saying that Trump is so intelligent and masterful that he could pull of such a stunt, after you and everyone else claims what a dolt he is.

How does the fundamental question of our time concern the "West" surviving against Nazism? What does protecting our borders have to do with fascism? The speech is in the OP, have you even read it? It has nothing to do with intelligence, Trump just has a speech writer who shares the ideals of him, his cabinet, and his followers.

[Sparko]

How does the fundamental question of our time concern the "West" surviving against Nazism? What does protecting our borders have to do with fascism? The speech is in the OP, have you even read it? It has nothing to do with intelligence, Trump just has a speech writer who shares the ideals of him, his cabinet, and his followers.

well let's see derrrrrr. He was talking to Polish people and praising them for what they did in WW2 fighting and surviving against the nazis. he was making reference to tie it to the present time ("our time". the Nazis invaded Poland. Thus the reference to needing to protect our borders.


um do you think that the entire speech is in the OP?

He was standing at the Warsaw memorial and talking about the Warsaw uprising.

He started out talking about that:

"It is a profound honor to stand in this city, by this monument to the Warsaw Uprising, and to address the Polish nation that so many generations have dreamed of: a Poland that is safe, strong, and free. (Applause.) "

Then he went on to talk about borders and how Poland's culture survived attack after attack

"For two centuries, Poland suffered constant and brutal attacks. But while Poland could be invaded and occupied, and its borders even erased from the map, it could never be erased from history or from your hearts. In those dark days, you have lost your land but you never lost your pride. (Applause.)"
"Despite every effort to transform you, oppress you, or destroy you, you endured and overcame. You are the proud nation of Copernicus -- think of that -- (applause) -- Chopin, Saint John Paul II. Poland is a land of great heroes. (Applause.) And you are a people who know the true value of what you defend.
The triumph of the Polish spirit over centuries of hardship gives us all hope for a future in which good conquers evil, and peace achieves victory over war."

He goes on to talk about the Nazis and Poland's eventual independence from the USSR.

The speech was mostly about Poland. It had nothing to do with white supremacy at all.


Here, you can read and watch the whole thing here.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/06/politi...ipt/index.html

[demi-conservative]

I would say that the founding values of modern western civilization, dating from the French Revolution era,

West existed for at least millennium before French revolution and libtards like you. Western culture is Christian.

The creation of the modern West actually had a lot to do with getting the overt Christianity out of politics.

See above. From there we see 'modern western culture' is against historical values of West.

with separation of church and state enshrined in its constitution

This is common lie by libtards like yourself. 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion' in no way separated church and state!

All of which is to say, myself and my views are rebellious children against 1000+ years of Christian Western culture.

Repent, wayward kiddo!!!

[Charles]

West existed for at least millennium before French revolution and libtards like you. Western culture is Christian.

No matter how long it existed before the revolution makes no difference to what it is. Only to what it was.

[Charles]

(This is hypothetical)

Trump: "I despise racism in all of its forms."

Liberal moron: "But we know Trump is a racist -- we just know it! -- so if we take the word 'despise' and read it as 'support' then we can get at the true intent behind his remark!"

I don't find it completely hypothetical that Trump would say a given thing in one speach and contradict it in another. Thus one would not be a moron to distrust him. I would say you would rather be a moron if you take that man on his word. But I think your hypothetical example is a rather good example of your simplifications of what goes on in this forum. So in that regard it does not seem very hypothetical :-)

[Psychic Missile]

well let's see derrrrrr. He was talking to Polish people and praising them for what they did in WW2 fighting and surviving against the nazis. he was making reference to tie it to the present time ("our time". the Nazis invaded Poland. Thus the reference to needing to protect our borders.


um do you think that the entire speech is in the OP?

He was standing at the Warsaw memorial and talking about the Warsaw uprising.

He started out talking about that:

"It is a profound honor to stand in this city, by this monument to the Warsaw Uprising, and to address the Polish nation that so many generations have dreamed of: a Poland that is safe, strong, and free. (Applause.) "

Then he went on to talk about borders and how Poland's culture survived attack after attack

"For two centuries, Poland suffered constant and brutal attacks. But while Poland could be invaded and occupied, and its borders even erased from the map, it could never be erased from history or from your hearts. In those dark days, you have lost your land but you never lost your pride. (Applause.)"
"Despite every effort to transform you, oppress you, or destroy you, you endured and overcame. You are the proud nation of Copernicus -- think of that -- (applause) -- Chopin, Saint John Paul II. Poland is a land of great heroes. (Applause.) And you are a people who know the true value of what you defend.
The triumph of the Polish spirit over centuries of hardship gives us all hope for a future in which good conquers evil, and peace achieves victory over war."

He goes on to talk about the Nazis and Poland's eventual independence from the USSR.

The speech was mostly about Poland. It had nothing to do with white supremacy at all.


Here, you can read and watch the whole thing here.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/06/politi...ipt/index.html

He also talks a lot about modern threats. One of those is Islamic terrorism, but he also talk about how important ideology is in confronting threats in the wider sense. That doesn't make sense to me in any other context but the alt-right politics of his followers and particularly his chief strategist and senior advisor/script writer, not to mention the man himself.

[Starlight]

West existed for at least millennium before French revolution and libtards like you.

Well origin of 'the West' as we understand it more broadly speaking, was the ancient Greeks and then the Romans. So the West was initially pre-Christian, then Christian, and is now post-Christian.

Western culture is Christian.

Not anymore. In almost all Western countries, less than 50% of the population is overtly Christian (e.g. attends church or reads the bible regularly) and that is dropping rapidly in most countries.

[Teallaura]

The white supremacist alt-right is a real political movement made up of many real people who believe that the West is in danger because of "multiculturalism", "degeneracy", demographic shifts, "cultural Marxism", and globalism. They worry about Muslims, Mexicans, black people, and feminists. These people were and still are some of Trump's strongest supporters. A major news source for these people is Breitbart, and Trump invented a new cabinet position for one of its founders. This connection is not far fetched at all.

PM,

Let me ask you, other than forums, where do you get this? Every 'racist' accusation I've seen you make was at least one step removed from an actual incident or comment that was directed at race on the basis of contempt or hatred. You see hatred everywhere - at least that's what you seem to be doing. Has it never occurred to you that if racism were that endemic, the country should look like the 1900's, not the Post Civil Rights era?

I'm trying to understand why you see hate everywhere.