$15/hr Min Wage - We told you so

[Psychic Missile]

It looks to me like he has explained quite well. Just because you don't like what he said does not mean he has not tried to correct your misunderstanding.

He explained that he thinks people without direct experience with something shouldn't criticize it (which means all of our TWeb conservatives criticizing Obama, homosexuality, transexuality, global warming, and evolution are/were wrong) and everyone in America who isn't satisfied with their pay should start their own company (regardless of their skills, capital, situation, viability, and lack of employees for all these theoretical companies). He didn't address a single thing I've responded with, which is what explaining your position and correcting misunderstanding is. It's fine if people want to throw out their ill-informed opinions, but I just don't understand why someone would seek out a discussion-based forum just to rake in agreement and ignore criticism. People like that should just talk to themselves in a mirror.

[Psychic Missile]

Perhaps it's actually possible that you may be wrong in this case? And you RUN from it?

Hahahahahaha

[Cow Poke]

Hahahahahaha

Perhaps you'd like to expand on this a bit, PM.

[Cow Poke]

He explained that he thinks people without direct experience with something shouldn't criticize it....

Could you link back to the original quote, please?

Thanks

[Terraceth]

Fishing for definitions:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entry-level_job

No point calling something 'entry' if you know full well most never get to enter.

If those people don't enter, it's by choice. Sure, a lot of people who become cashiers don't advance further because they just try to get another job. But that's their choice. If you want to advance, you should be able to.

[Roy]

If those people don't enter, it's by choice. Sure, a lot of people who become cashiers don't advance further because they just try to get another job. But that's their choice. If you want to advance, you should be able to.

If you want to advance and are willing to put in the extra effort to do so you should be able to.

[Starlight]

Out today:

Missouri Republicans Lower St. Louis Minimum Wage From $10 To $7.70


As Trump said, US wages are too high and he wouldn't raise the minimum wage, so good to see these Republicans going along with his plan to lower American wages...
Doubtless magic will happen and when Americans are all being paid less, then the country will be great again.

Also it's amusing the way Republicans pretend to claim that local government is better than central government (and thus support 'states rights') etc, but apparently have zero problem using their central government power to override local government decisions when they can. (They've been doing a similar thing on LGBT-protection laws - if cities pass protective legislation, the Republicans then ban such legislation at the state level) Of course, we shouldn't be surprised by their blatant hypocrisy... at this point, anyone who expects Republicans to have any form of consistency, values, morality, decency, sense of shame, or awareness of their own hypocrisy, hasn't been paying any attention to US politics for the past 20 years. Next on their to-do list appears to be to give a massive federal tax cut to the wealthy and run a correspondingly massive federal deficit, while pretending they haven't been spending the last 8 years pretending to hate deficits and pretending to be fiscally conservative.

[Psychic Missile]

Perhaps you'd like to expand on this a bit, PM.

After I argued against your points you refused to engage and left the discussion. Exactly what you're accusing Teal of doing.

Could you link back to the original quote, please?

Thanks

"It's always easy for a man who doesn't own a company to come up with the rules for how somebody else who DOES own a company should run things."

[Cow Poke]

After I argued against your points you refused to engage and left the discussion. Exactly what you're accusing Teal of doing.

No, I did NOT abandon -- Please forgive me if I don't cling to every word you write... for a lot of the discussion, I didn't even realize you were talking about me! I'm here. Teal isn't.

"It's always easy for a man who doesn't own a company to come up with the rules for how somebody else who DOES own a company should run things."

OK, so THAT's the statement you butchered into some kind of universal declaration?

How bout trying again --- what, exactly, is wrong with that statement?

[Terraceth]

If you want to advance and are willing to put in the extra effort to do so you should be able to.

I thought that went without saying.

[One Bad Pig]

If you want to advance and are willing to put in the extra effort to do so you should be able to.

Yes, given that you have the aptitude and there are positions available. Being a cashier is actually more difficult than most people think, though; many people don't last beyond their first day on the job. If you can do that well, you can probably move up from there.

[Sparko]

Out today:

Missouri Republicans Lower St. Louis Minimum Wage From $10 To $7.70


As Trump said, US wages are too high and he wouldn't raise the minimum wage, so good to see these Republicans going along with his plan to lower American wages...
Doubtless magic will happen and when Americans are all being paid less, then the country will be great again.

Also it's amusing the way Republicans pretend to claim that local government is better than central government (and thus support 'states rights') etc, but apparently have zero problem using their central government power to override local government decisions when they can. (They've been doing a similar thing on LGBT-protection laws - if cities pass protective legislation, the Republicans then ban such legislation at the state level) Of course, we shouldn't be surprised by their blatant hypocrisy... at this point, anyone who expects Republicans to have any form of consistency, values, morality, decency, sense of shame, or awareness of their own hypocrisy, hasn't been paying any attention to US politics for the past 20 years. Next on their to-do list appears to be to give a massive federal tax cut to the wealthy and run a correspondingly massive federal deficit, while pretending they haven't been spending the last 8 years pretending to hate deficits and pretending to be fiscally conservative.

You realize that employers don't have to pay the minimum wage if they don't want to. If the competitive rate in St. Louis needs to be $10/hour, then that is what it will be. If a hamburger joint tries to pay people $7.70/hour and the burger joint across the street is paying $10, guess who is going to go out of business pretty quick?

[One Bad Pig]

You realize that employers don't have to pay the minimum wage if they don't want to. If the competitive rate in St. Louis needs to be $10/hour, then that is what it will be. If a hamburger joint tries to pay people $7.70/hour and the burger joint across the street is paying $10, guess who is going to go out of business pretty quick?

You need to tighten up your example a bit. If the burger joint paying $10/hour isn't selling enough burgers to make payroll, then it will be the one going out of business. If the hamburger joint offering $7.70/hour can't find enough people willing to work for that rate, it won't be able to stay open - but it would be a terrible business decision to close rather than adapt. A franchisee with any business sense would raise their offer to one that gets them enough workers, and raise prices if necessary to stay in the black.

[Sparko]

You need to tighten up your example a bit. If the burger joint paying $10/hour isn't selling enough burgers to make payroll, then it will be the one going out of business. If the hamburger joint offering $7.70/hour can't find enough people willing to work for that rate, it won't be able to stay open - but it would be a terrible business decision to close rather than adapt. A franchisee with any business sense would raise their offer to one that gets them enough workers, and raise prices if necessary to stay in the black.

now you are just going to confuse him.

[Cow Poke]

You need to tighten up your example a bit. If the burger joint paying $10/hour isn't selling enough burgers to make payroll, then it will be the one going out of business. If the hamburger joint offering $7.70/hour can't find enough people willing to work for that rate, it won't be able to stay open - but it would be a terrible business decision to close rather than adapt. A franchisee with any business sense would raise their offer to one that gets them enough workers, and raise prices if necessary to stay in the black.

Hence, the problem with liberal math. They tend to think that you can change one factor, and a business owner will NOT adapt.... same with taxes or fees. Liberals suffer greatly from the law of unintended consequences.