Announcement

Collapse

Civics 101 Guidelines

Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!

Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less

Old Jewish man dies after confrontation with pro-Palestinian protester at CA rally

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

    Ah, didn't watch the news conference, have been looking for a writeup
    Found this:

    Source: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/watch-live-ventura-county-officials-provide-update-on-jewish-man-who-died-after-protest/

    “While we wait for more information from our law enforcement partners, we remind you that this is the fourth major antisemitic crime committed in Los Angeles this year alone,” a statement from the organization reads. “Violence against our people has no place in civilized society.”

    Ventura County Sheriff Jim Fryhoff said investigators have “not ruled out the possibility of a hate crime,” and said Kessler’s death is being investigated as a homicide.

    However, the investigation is “ongoing and fluid,” he added.

    Fryhoff said the agency was investigating the matter to the fullest extent and said it intended on “finding out what exactly occurred.”

    “We’re working tirelessly to gather all the facts and evidence related to this incident, and we will do everything in our power, using every resource we have at our disposal, to make sense of this incident,” he said.

    Kessler was conscious after the incident as well as during his transportation to the hospital. His alleged attacker was cooperative with investigators and was even one of the people who called 911, Fryhoff said.

    Dr. Christopher Young, Ventura County medical examiner, said the death investigation is also ongoing.

    Injuries included swelling of the brain and bleeding around the brain, Young said, and Kessler was pronounced dead at 1:10 a.m. on Monday.

    Young added that Kessler’s wounds were “consistent with and typical of injuries sustained in a fall.”

    The cause of death is blunt-force head trauma and the manner of death is homicide, though “it does not indicate that a crime has been committed,” Young said.

    “It’s simply stating that … the actions of another person contributed to the death of the person,” he said.

    No arrests have been made, Fryhoff said, and the suspect, who has not been publicly identified, interacted with Kessler, but “what that level of interaction is is still unclear.”

    Investigators are asking anyone with video of the incident to contact them.

    “If criminal wrongdoing is discovered,” Fryhoff said, “[we will] bring the person or persons responsible to justice.”

    © Copyright Original Source



    The article mentions the megaphone but not the news conference as far as I can see

    Comment


    • #17
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

      Found this:

      Source: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/watch-live-ventura-county-officials-provide-update-on-jewish-man-who-died-after-protest/

      “While we wait for more information from our law enforcement partners, we remind you that this is the fourth major antisemitic crime committed in Los Angeles this year alone,” a statement from the organization reads. “Violence against our people has no place in civilized society.”

      Ventura County Sheriff Jim Fryhoff said investigators have “not ruled out the possibility of a hate crime,” and said Kessler’s death is being investigated as a homicide.

      However, the investigation is “ongoing and fluid,” he added.

      Fryhoff said the agency was investigating the matter to the fullest extent and said it intended on “finding out what exactly occurred.”

      “We’re working tirelessly to gather all the facts and evidence related to this incident, and we will do everything in our power, using every resource we have at our disposal, to make sense of this incident,” he said.

      Kessler was conscious after the incident as well as during his transportation to the hospital. His alleged attacker was cooperative with investigators and was even one of the people who called 911, Fryhoff said.

      Dr. Christopher Young, Ventura County medical examiner, said the death investigation is also ongoing.

      Injuries included swelling of the brain and bleeding around the brain, Young said, and Kessler was pronounced dead at 1:10 a.m. on Monday.

      Young added that Kessler’s wounds were “consistent with and typical of injuries sustained in a fall.”

      The cause of death is blunt-force head trauma and the manner of death is homicide, though “it does not indicate that a crime has been committed,” Young said.

      “It’s simply stating that … the actions of another person contributed to the death of the person,” he said.

      No arrests have been made, Fryhoff said, and the suspect, who has not been publicly identified, interacted with Kessler, but “what that level of interaction is is still unclear.”

      Investigators are asking anyone with video of the incident to contact them.

      “If criminal wrongdoing is discovered,” Fryhoff said, “[we will] bring the person or persons responsible to justice.”

      © Copyright Original Source



      The article mentions the megaphone but not the news conference as far as I can see
      Yeah. At the moment, it still sounds like, at worst, this feels like an incident of "accidental results."

      Comment


      • #18
        Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

        Yeah. At the moment, it still sounds like, at worst, this feels like an incident of "accidental results."
        It doesn't sound like it was intentional. Probably both of them yelling and shoving and the old guy fell down and hit his head. Might still be manslaughter, depending on who started shoving who.

        Comment


        • #19
          A bit more info...

          RedState’s Reporting on a Jewish Man’s Death Puts Liberal Media to Shame
          RedState managing editor Jennifer Van Laar has been a tour de force for decades and deep sourcing as a rare California conservative, so it was no surprise when she released a series of stories and videos this week showing the raw aftermath of an attack against a 69-year-old Jewish man named Paul Kessler that resulted in Kessler’s bloody death after he was knocked down and his skull met the pavement.

          Not surprisingly, none of this shoestring reporting was picked up by the liberal broadcast networks of ABC, CBS, and NBC as they’re likely terrified about a rise in Islamophobia or, at minimum, a lecturing by the radical Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

          In her Tuesday piece “BREAKING: Videos From Pro-Hamas Rally Where Paul Kessler Was Killed Show Just How Vile His Attackers Are”, van Laar revealed that, “[a]ccording to an eyewitness who spoke to RedState on condition of anonymity due to fears for their family's safety, it appeared that Kessler was targeted by members of the pro-Hamas group who had protested at the same corner the Sunday prior, possibly because police were called at that time after one of the pro-Hamas agitators brandished a gun.”

          Van Laar took readers into the day’s events using her sources, including one eyewitness telling her that, in her words, a “man who confronted Kessler...hit him in the head with the bullhorn” after a group of pro-Hamas protesters broke off from the main gathering of like-minded individuals and went over to Kessler had been standing and waving an Israeli flag.

          She noted amid a slew of videos provided there were contrasting claims with, not surprisingly, the pro-Hamas eyewitnesses telling police that Kessler fell and was an accident (click “expand”):


          In this video, a different witness tells law enforcement that Kessler was "decked" but a Hamas supporter tells officers that Kessler "slipped."

          [VIDEO]

          This video is long, but shows the suspect speaking to police after Kessler is taken away in the ambulance. The protesters continue to chant; at the 3:45 mark you hear, "You will burn in hell; Israel will burn in hell."

          [VIDEO]

          In this video, at 2:45, you can hear law enforcement asking the suspect, "So you tried to hit his phone"?

          [VIDEO]

          In this video you can hear the pro-Hamas agitators' blatant antisemitism at the :45 mark: "Hitler didn't want you, Hitler didn't want you, Hitler didn't want you, Hitler should've smashed you."

          [VIDEO]

          Hours later, Van Laar had another bombshell as she confirmed in her reporting the identity of the man in question who’s alleged to have been the person with said bullhorn:



          In an earlier report...we noted that through our investigative work we'd identified the person we believe struck Kessler with a megaphone was a local college professor who was involved with that school's Muslim Student Association. Now we can confirm that man, Loay Alnaji, is indeed the person law enforcement officers have interviewed in connection with the case.

          She went through Alnaji’s background, including his post as a processor at California State University, Northridge and that his Instagram page included an October 17 video from a Muslim social media influencer who “compared Hamas to legendary civil rights movements.”

          And, on Wednesday, Van Laar was back with another piece spotlighting comments from the friend of Kessler who said the alleged pro-Hamas thugs were “stalk[ing] us” ahead of his friend’s suffering of blunt force trauma to the head.

          To see all of Van Laar’s work, go here.


          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

          Comment


          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            A bit more info...

            RedState’s Reporting on a Jewish Man’s Death Puts Liberal Media to Shame
            RedState managing editor Jennifer Van Laar has been a tour de force for decades and deep sourcing as a rare California conservative, so it was no surprise when she released a series of stories and videos this week showing the raw aftermath of an attack against a 69-year-old Jewish man named Paul Kessler that resulted in Kessler’s bloody death after he was knocked down and his skull met the pavement.

            Not surprisingly, none of this shoestring reporting was picked up by the liberal broadcast networks of ABC, CBS, and NBC as they’re likely terrified about a rise in Islamophobia or, at minimum, a lecturing by the radical Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

            In her Tuesday piece “BREAKING: Videos From Pro-Hamas Rally Where Paul Kessler Was Killed Show Just How Vile His Attackers Are”, van Laar revealed that, “[a]ccording to an eyewitness who spoke to RedState on condition of anonymity due to fears for their family's safety, it appeared that Kessler was targeted by members of the pro-Hamas group who had protested at the same corner the Sunday prior, possibly because police were called at that time after one of the pro-Hamas agitators brandished a gun.”

            Van Laar took readers into the day’s events using her sources, including one eyewitness telling her that, in her words, a “man who confronted Kessler...hit him in the head with the bullhorn” after a group of pro-Hamas protesters broke off from the main gathering of like-minded individuals and went over to Kessler had been standing and waving an Israeli flag.

            She noted amid a slew of videos provided there were contrasting claims with, not surprisingly, the pro-Hamas eyewitnesses telling police that Kessler fell and was an accident (click “expand”):


            In this video, a different witness tells law enforcement that Kessler was "decked" but a Hamas supporter tells officers that Kessler "slipped."

            [VIDEO]

            This video is long, but shows the suspect speaking to police after Kessler is taken away in the ambulance. The protesters continue to chant; at the 3:45 mark you hear, "You will burn in hell; Israel will burn in hell."

            [VIDEO]

            In this video, at 2:45, you can hear law enforcement asking the suspect, "So you tried to hit his phone"?

            [VIDEO]

            In this video you can hear the pro-Hamas agitators' blatant antisemitism at the :45 mark: "Hitler didn't want you, Hitler didn't want you, Hitler didn't want you, Hitler should've smashed you."

            [VIDEO]

            Hours later, Van Laar had another bombshell as she confirmed in her reporting the identity of the man in question who’s alleged to have been the person with said bullhorn:



            In an earlier report...we noted that through our investigative work we'd identified the person we believe struck Kessler with a megaphone was a local college professor who was involved with that school's Muslim Student Association. Now we can confirm that man, Loay Alnaji, is indeed the person law enforcement officers have interviewed in connection with the case.

            She went through Alnaji’s background, including his post as a processor at California State University, Northridge and that his Instagram page included an October 17 video from a Muslim social media influencer who “compared Hamas to legendary civil rights movements.”

            And, on Wednesday, Van Laar was back with another piece spotlighting comments from the friend of Kessler who said the alleged pro-Hamas thugs were “stalk[ing] us” ahead of his friend’s suffering of blunt force trauma to the head.

            To see all of Van Laar’s work, go here.
            Her report is a bit one-sided though. The police have stated that there is conflicting eyewitness reports, with the two different groups of protesters giving different versions of the events.

            Comment


            • #21
              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

              Her report is a bit one-sided though. The police have stated that there is conflicting eyewitness reports, with the two different groups of protesters giving different versions of the events.
              She mentions that there are conflicting reports

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

              Comment


              • #22
                Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/pro-palestinian-protester-arrested-death-jewish-man-paul-kessler



                Police have arrested a pro-Palestinian California college professor in the death of Jewish man Paul Kessler at concurrent pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian demonstrations on Nov. 5.

                Loay Abdelfattah Alnaji, 50, was taken into custody on Thursday, charged with involuntary manslaughter and incarcerated at Ventura County Jail on $1,000,000 bail, per a Ventura County Sheriff's Department press release.

                "We're not providing any additional information at this moment in time, however there will be additional information released later today," Sgt. Rob Yoos told Fox News Digital on Thursday morning.


                © Copyright Original Source

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                  Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/pro-palestinian-protester-arrested-death-jewish-man-paul-kessler



                  Police have arrested a pro-Palestinian California college professor in the death of Jewish man Paul Kessler at concurrent pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian demonstrations on Nov. 5.

                  Loay Abdelfattah Alnaji, 50, was taken into custody on Thursday, charged with involuntary manslaughter and incarcerated at Ventura County Jail on $1,000,000 bail, per a Ventura County Sheriff's Department press release.

                  "We're not providing any additional information at this moment in time, however there will be additional information released later today," Sgt. Rob Yoos told Fox News Digital on Thursday morning.


                  © Copyright Original Source

                  Loay Abdelfattah Alnaji. So a Muslim?
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                    Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/pro-palestinian-protester-arrested-death-jewish-man-paul-kessler



                    Police have arrested a pro-Palestinian California college professor in the death of Jewish man Paul Kessler at concurrent pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian demonstrations on Nov. 5.

                    Loay Abdelfattah Alnaji, 50, was taken into custody on Thursday, charged with involuntary manslaughter and incarcerated at Ventura County Jail on $1,000,000 bail, per a Ventura County Sheriff's Department press release.

                    "We're not providing any additional information at this moment in time, however there will be additional information released later today," Sgt. Rob Yoos told Fox News Digital on Thursday morning.


                    © Copyright Original Source

                    I had heard that the coroner had determined that the death was the result of homicide and was wondering what the next step would be. FWIU, aside from the lethal injury to the back of his head, Kessler also exhibited nonlethal injuries on the left side of his face, which seem to support eyewitness testimony that Alnaji had struck Kessler in the face with a bullhorn causing the fatal fall.

                    Apparently bail was set a million dollars -- which seems steep since Alnaji is charged with involuntary manslaughter. Potential flight risk? Still, the D.A. will have the final say over whether there is enough evidence for a formal charge.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

                    Comment

                    Related Threads

                    Collapse

                    Topics Statistics Last Post
                    Started by Cow Poke, Yesterday, 06:29 AM
                    32 responses
                    188 views
                    0 likes
                    Last Post Cow Poke  
                    Started by carpedm9587, 06-16-2024, 08:13 PM
                    17 responses
                    111 views
                    0 likes
                    Last Post seer
                    by seer
                     
                    Started by eider, 06-16-2024, 12:12 AM
                    29 responses
                    176 views
                    0 likes
                    Last Post NorrinRadd  
                    Started by Cow Poke, 06-15-2024, 12:53 PM
                    52 responses
                    273 views
                    0 likes
                    Last Post Cow Poke  
                    Started by Diogenes, 06-14-2024, 08:57 PM
                    122 responses
                    547 views
                    0 likes
                    Last Post JimL
                    by JimL
                     
                    Working...
                    X