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Originally posted by JimL View PostI think the better question would be what would it take to convince ya'll that it isn't false. My opinion from the evidence so far is that Trump is guilty of Obstruction of justice, and is most likely guilty of collusion with the Russians as well. Its not proven in the absolute, but it looks pretty obvious to me.
The obstruction of justice charge seems to originate in the conversations that Trump had with Comey.
I think a good starting point would be having at least one of the two people in those conversations claim that obstruction of justice occurred.
If Comey (the victim - he was fired, after all) isn't willing to make that claim then I have to think there is no reason to believe it - in fact, believing it past that point starts to seem a bit crazy.
Regarding Collusion With Russia
As a starting point I'd like to see some emails, video or audio tape, or even a witness testimony that the Trump campaign worked with Russia to hack DNC emails and release them to aid Trump.
The only named witnesses we have currently which are in a position to know deny this relationship.
Given there is no named witnesses (people, tape, emails) establishing this relationship the rational response favors dismissing it.
I guess to consider Trump guilty I'd have to see some solid evidence.
Given that in both cases this evidence doesn't exist I favor, but cannot be 100% certain, that Trump is innocent.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim you keep saying this but where did Trump say that he fired Comey to stop the investigation? Please link that.
But exercising his legal authority is not an abuse of power.
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostRegarding Obstruction of Justice
The obstruction of justice charge seems to originate in the conversations that Trump had with Comey.
I think a good starting point would be having at least one of the two people in those conversations claim that obstruction of justice occurred.
If Comey (the victim - he was fired, after all) isn't willing to make that claim then I have to think there is no reason to believe it - in fact, believing it past that point starts to seem a bit crazy.
Regarding Collusion With Russia
As a starting point I'd like to see some emails, video or audio tape, or even a witness testimony that the Trump campaign worked with Russia to hack DNC emails and release them to aid Trump.
The only named witnesses we have currently which are in a position to know deny this relationship.
Given there is no named witnesses (people, tape, emails) establishing this relationship the rational response favors dismissing it.
I guess to consider Trump guilty I'd have to see some solid evidence.
Given that in both cases this evidence doesn't exist I favor, but cannot be 100% certain, that Trump is innocent.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostGee, I wonder....
If a socialist leader in Russia wanted someone other than Hillary to win, would he aim to help the more capitalist opponent or the more socialist opponent?
I don't think he personally liked Hillary at all (she's as likeable as a bag of AIDS).
He may of felt Trump, being less politically savvy, would be easier to manipulate/embarrass.
To me that is all moot, since putting anything in email that may be embarrassing, especially as a politician, disqualifies you from a leadership position because you'd have to be too stupid of a human being to do that.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View PostI think Putin would have other reasons.
I don't think he personally liked Hillary at all (she's as likeable as a bag of AIDS).
He may of felt Trump, being less politically savvy, would be easier to manipulate/embarrass.
To me that is all moot, since putting anything in email that may be embarrassing, especially as a politician, disqualifies you from a leadership position because you'd have to be too stupid of a human being to do that.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhat made you change your mind? It's not like they've changed at all.
I think of Tassman and JimL as entertainment at this point. I like to get them to expose their lack of thinking for all to see. Tassman is particularly easy to get to contradict himself and put his foot in his mouth between one post and another.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhen someone seems to be genuinely ignorant but open minded, I will treat them seriously. When someone is just a close-minded moron who won't listen and just spouts the propaganda points of the day, then I won't waste time trying to convince them. What I post is for others to read, not them. They are not worth the effort.
I think of Tassman and JimL as entertainment at this point. I like to get them to expose their lack of thinking for all to see. Tassman is particularly easy to get to contradict himself and put his foot in his mouth between one post and another.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYeah, actually that does support my contention, and so does the transcript from the white House meeting with the Russians the day after he fired Comey where he said "I just fired Comey, he was crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. Thats taken off!" then he added, "I'm not under investigation."
Then you have Sean Spicer, the presidents mouth piece, who said in an interview on npr regarding Comey's firing, "By grandstanding and politicising the investigation into Russia's actions-Jim Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia."
To top it off you have the word of Jim Comey over that of a pathological liar in Trump.
When will you learn, Jim?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYeah, what about it? The investigation is into Trumps campaign! Though not specifically, I think that includes Trump.
If Comey is a liar, then you can't trust anything he says.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPost #70 seer.
Not necessarily, but it can be, and that is left to Congress to decide. In other words, the president has the power to fire the head of the FBI, but if Congress determines it to be an abuse of power he can be impeached by them.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostGee, I wonder....
If a socialist leader in Russia wanted someone other than Hillary to win, would he aim to help the more capitalist opponent or the more socialist opponent?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf he was included in the investigation then Comey lied when he said he was not.
If Comey is a liar, then you can't trust anything he says.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAgain, what changed your mind about them? They've always been like this.
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