Why do we need the Paris agreement?

[Mountain Man]

People don't believe Starlight's apocalyptic BS precisely because they don't act the least bit like it's really gonna happen.

Indeed. I don't see the liberal elites rushing to give up their private jets and exhaust-spewing limousine motorcades. Of course they expect us to give up our luxuries in the name of "climate change" but aren't willing to lift a finger to that end themselves. They're modern day Pharisees preaching the false religion of global warming.

[Mountain Man]

All Trump has succeeded in doing is hand a huge advantage to the Chinese, because the one thing they will do and have already signalled they will do, is claiming the mantle of the global leader on climate change.

Let them have it, and the economic debacle that will come with it.

The only reason foreign leaders are so angry with Trump is because they know the US won't be there to bail them out when this thing inevitably goes south.

[seer]

Slow change would be okay, because people can move and ecosystems can adapt. But such rapid change over a decades is going to be a big problem. Maybe a billion African and Middle Eastern refugees will have to move to America.

Listen over the last hundred years or so in the teeth of the of the industrial revolution the planet warmed about one degree Celsius up to this point. It did not cause any really unusual weather conditions, nothing that we could not handle. Why couldn't we handle another degree or two over the next hundred years? And like I said the US is already back to 1992 levels, we are also going gang busters with renewable technology. Let's see other countries get back to those levels before pointing the finger at us.

[seer]

All Trump has succeeded in doing is hand a huge advantage to the Chinese, because the one thing they will do and have already signalled they will do, is claiming the mantle of the global leader on climate change. This will play right into their narrative that China is the ascendant global superpower and the United States is a nation in decline.

That is just stupid, we don't have to hamstring our economy to be the world leader. And China's economic growth does not depend on this agreement. In other words the Paris accords has nothing to do with any of this.

[RumTumTugger]

Calling Republicans sociopaths does not negate them. Here is a suggestion nuclear power.

In Starlight's dictionary sociopath means anyone who's views he disagrees with.
His dictionary also defines closed minded as anyone who disagrees with him
and anti intellectual as anyone who proves he has not done proper scholarship and calls him on it.

[Darth Executor]

despite

lol how does crippling your economy make you a "leader", china can have "leadership" of that (most likely they'll just cheat on their data like they do with the olympics).

Most countries support it because they want more transfer of wealth from the west to the third world.

[seer]

Green jobs are already eclipsing fossil fuel jobs in the US.

According to the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), renewable energy employment alone (excluding efficiency) grew by nearly 18 percent between Q2 2015 and Q1 2016. The agency reports that 3,384,834 Americans were directly employed by the clean energy industry (which includes the energy efficiency, smart grid, and energy storage industries; electric power generation from renewables; renewable fuels production; and the electric, hybrid, and hydrogen-based vehicle industries) in Q1 2016. Among the leading U.S. employment sectors were energy-efficient appliances, buildings, solar, wind, and bioenergy. The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) estimated there were 8,079,000 direct and indirect jobs in renewable energy worldwide, with China, Brazil, the United States, and India among the leaders.

By comparison, DOE estimated that 2,989,844 Americans were directly employed by the fossil fuel industry (which includes fuels and electric power generation from coal, natural gas, and petroleum; and the manufacturing of gasoline and diesel-powered vehicles and their component parts) in Q1 2016. More specifically, natural gas and advanced gas technologies provided 398,235 jobs, coal provided 160,119, and petroleum provided 515,518, while gas and diesel vehicles supported 1,915,972 jobs.

http://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact...fficiency-2017

[seer]

Most countries support it because they want more transfer of wealth from the west to the third world.

That is a fact, this all about carbon taxing. The US is doing quite well in reducing our carbon foot print and we don't need an international accord to do this.

[rogue06]

The international community wanted a binding treaty, but Obama's negotiators said it would have to be a non-binding one because Obama was aware there was zero chance of getting the sociopath Republican Senators to ratify it.

You mean like the same way like when Bill Clinton put the Kyoto Protocol before a Democratic-controlled Senate and could not get a single Democrat to vote for it? Not one. I guess they were all sociopaths.

[rogue06]

lol how does crippling your economy make you a "leader", china can have "leadership" of that (most likely they'll just cheat on their data like they do with the olympics).

Most countries support it because they want more transfer of wealth from the west to the third world.

Although they are now the world's leading polluter, and unlike the U.S. their pollution rate keeps climbing as do their emissions of greenhouse gases, they are exempt from even saying they'll try to reduce it until 2030.

Similarly, India, which is quickly moving into the number two slot, has announced that they are going to double their coal usage over the next decade or so pretty much guaranteeing that their pollution levels and carbon emissions will also continue climbing, all while receiving hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies (i.e., wealth transference).

And of course since the Paris Accord allows nations to establish their own goals, most Third World countries basically set their goal at doing nothing whatsoever and are merely holding their hands out waiting for the checks.

[TheWall]

3d printing. Nuclear. Growing more trees. It will help. Honestly though these images of flooded new york seem to me far too exagerated. Besides even if you did get global warming done in an atheistic world it all ends anyway. You still struggle with entropy untill we reach equilibrium and all starns burn out.
I will continue to live a good life walking with the lord. I hope to be a good steward to the earth but earth aint gonna last forever.

[Starlight]

3d printing.

Er, how does that one help?

Nuclear. Growing more trees. It will help.

If the current US government had a plain for either of these I would be happier. The Trump administration is going backward on these.

Honestly though these images of flooded new york seem to me far too exagerated.

You're aware that hurricane Sandy caused serious flooding in NY right...? Like, you say a flooded NY seems exaggerated, but here's a real picture of what actually happened:



Thing like that will only get worse and more common as the sea level rises and strong hurricanes become more common.

Besides even if you did get global warming done in an atheistic world it all ends anyway. You still struggle with entropy untill we reach equilibrium and all starns burn out.

Well let's survive the next 100 years before we worry too much about surviving in 20 billion years' time, eh? And you've got no proof we won't invent time travel or learn how to create new universes within the next several billion years.

[rogue06]

You mean like the same way like when Bill Clinton put the Kyoto Protocol before a Democratic-controlled Senate and could not get a single Democrat to vote for it? Not one. I guess they were all sociopaths.

My bad. The Republicans controlled the Senate when Clinton signed the Kyoto Protocol but didn't present it to the Senate for ratification.

[Jedidiah]

Although they are now the world's leading polluter, and unlike the U.S. their pollution rate keeps climbing as do their emissions of greenhouse gases, they are exempt from even saying they'll try to reduce it until 2030.

Similarly, India, which is quickly moving into the number two slot, has announced that they are going to double their coal usage over the next decade or so pretty much guaranteeing that their pollution levels and carbon emissions will also continue climbing, all while receiving hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies (i.e., wealth transference).

And of course since the Paris Accord allows nations to establish their own goals, most Third World countries basically set their goal at doing nothing whatsoever and are merely holding their hands out waiting for the checks.

You nailed it.

[Mountain Man]

Thing like that will only get worse and more common as the sea level rises and strong hurricanes become more common.

Climate alarmists have been singing that song for decades, but "extreme weather events" are no more extreme or frequent today than at any other time in the Earth's history. And please don't cite that ridiculous "study" that used insurance payouts to determine the severity of weather events without taking any other factor into consideration, like inflation, or the fact that more people are insured today.