Woman Suing Kaiser After Pressured Into 'Transgender' Breast Removal At 13 Y.O.

[Gondwanaland]

Thirteen years old. Her parents essentially coerced with the doctors telling them their daughter would kill herself if she didn't have the surgery: ‘It is better to have a live son than a dead daughter’.

These people are simply monsters. They looked at their oaths to Do No Harm and flushed them down the toilet in favor of Far Left Gender Insanity. The doctors and nurses involved in this case and countless others, should have their license to practice stripped forever from them and never be allowed near children again.

Woman pressured into breast removal at 13 under ‘erroneous belief’ she was transgender: lawsuit

A California woman whose breasts were removed when she was 13-years-old because she thought she was transgender is now suing the doctors and hospital that oversaw the procedure — claiming they were in it for the money.

Kayla Lovdahl, now 18, says she was pushed to “entertain the erroneous belief that she was transgender” at age 11, after being exposed to online influencers, according to the lawsuit she filed She detransitioned at age 17 and now feels the doctors were negligent, calling her earlier belief that she was transgender “mistaken.”

“Kayla was not transgender and was not a person that any reasonable physician could ascertain would permanently maintain a transgender identity,” Lovdahl claims in the suit.


Her mental health issues should have raised red flags for the doctors, Lovdahl said, pointing to medical studies that she said show young girls’s mental health is not often improved by transitioning.


“The vast majority of cross-gender identified children, if medically treated in early adolescence risk regretting the decision after they are old enough to realize their losses,” Lovdahl said.

Lovdahl additionally accused the hospital and doctors of not providing her and her parents proper “informed consent,” which would have included in-depth therapy, something she said never happened.

The procedures were “an insane form of child abuse,” lawyers for Lovdahl, who also uses the pseudonym Layla Jane, said in a statement.

“We believe cases like this are the best way to stop them, especially in liberal states like California, where reckless ideologues are pushing this radical agenda,” said attorney Charles Limandri.

Lovdahl, who is seeking unspecified damages, claims the procedures left her with “deep physical and emotional wounds and severe regrets.”

Kaiser did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

When I first saw this story it was eerily familiar, and I thought it was just the media finally catching onto the story of a young woman I saw an interview of with Lila Rose of Live Action. But nope, that was another girl, Chloe Cole, with almost the same story of coercion and abuse by medical professionals to force her and her parents into 'transition' and surgery.

[tabibito]

Thirteen years old. Her parents essentially coerced with the doctors telling them their daughter would kill herself if she didn't have the surgery: ‘It is better to have a live son than a dead daughter’.

These people are simply monsters. They looked at their oaths to Do No Harm and flushed them down the toilet in favor of Far Left Gender Insanity. The doctors and nurses involved in this case and countless others, should have their license to practice stripped forever from them and never be allowed near children again.



When I first saw this story it was eerily familiar, and I thought it was just the media finally catching onto the story of a young woman I saw an interview of with Lila Rose of Live Action. But nope, that was another girl, Chloe Cole, with almost the same story of coercion and abuse by medical professionals to force her and her parents into 'transition' and surgery.

Insurance companies seem to be getting leery of providing insurance against suits by patients who have undergone transition "therapy" as children and teens.
One company here has withdrawn insurance for private practitioners who initiate therapy. It doesn't close the door to treatment altogether, but it is a major hit to willy-nilly provision of treatment.

When I first saw this story it was eerily familiar

Yep - highly reminiscent of such things as lobotomies, among a large number of weird and dangerous experimentations by various medical researchers.

[Starlight]

The procedures were “idealogical and profit-driven medical abuse,” Lovdahl now maintains.

If the set of facts are indeed as she claims (always questionable when we only hear one side of the story like this, and particularly so in this instance where the complainant self-confesses to having a huge array of psychological issues in the complaint), then indeed these particular doctors seem to have acted very unethically and should be punished for it. Almost nobody in the field would think that such a small amount of psychological counselling, or such a young age for breast removal is appropriate, especially given the presence of multiple co-occurring psychological issues. But there's always a fair chance in cases like this that the facts turn out to be quite different to what is being alleged.

If the concern is that the doctors were inspired by profit-seeking to act unethically, then the solution for that in general is to not have a for-profit healthcare system. Otherwise the profit-motive is always going to lead the doctor away from focusing on what is best for the patient.

[Gondwanaland]

If the set of facts are indeed as she claims (always questionable when we only hear one side of the story like this, and particularly so in this instance where the complainant self-confesses to having a huge array of psychological issues in the complaint),

then indeed these particular doctors seem to have acted very unethically and should be punished for it. Almost nobody in the field would think that such a small amount of psychological counselling, or such a young age for breast removal is appropriate, especially given the presence of multiple co-occurring psychological issues. But there's always a fair chance in cases like this that the facts turn out to be quite different to what is being alleged.

If the concern is that the doctors were inspired by profit-seeking to act unethically, then the solution for that in general is to not have a for-profit healthcare system. Otherwise the profit-motive is always going to lead the doctor away from focusing on what is best for the patient.

"almost nobody" Yet we have multiple examples of multiple healthcare providers and doctors doing exactly this. Literally two different almost identical examples provided right in my OP. So clearly far more than 'almost nobody in the field' think that this is okay and are quite willing to do this.

There was undercover video just this last week or so of a person getting essentially a 20 minute visit and being approved for testicle removal surgery and the doctors even being willing to make up a gender dysphoria diagnosis in order to move it along for the person.

So sorry, but you're full of crap.

And yeah, not getting into your attempt to distract about 'for-profit healthcare system' because this crap is happening in socialist healthcate hellholes too, so kindly run along if you can't keep on topic. But hey, that and victim blaming appears to be your only argument in defense of these monsters. Pretty damn pathetic.

[Starlight]

"almost nobody" Yet we have multiple examples of multiple healthcare providers and doctors doing exactly this. Literally two different almost identical examples provided right in my OP. So clearly far more than 'almost nobody in the field' think that this is okay and are quite willing to do this.

If I said "almost nobody thinks murder is okay" and you cited two different examples of murders and said "clearly some people think it's okay, cos they did it"... can you see why that wouldn't be good logic on your part?

not getting into your attempt to distract about 'for-profit healthcare system'

Did you not read your own OP and realize that the profit-motive was being alleged to be behind the issue?

But hey, that and victim blaming appears to be your only argument in defense of these monsters.

Is your reading comprehension so poor that you missed me condemning these doctors?

[rogue06]

Thirteen years old. Her parents essentially coerced with the doctors telling them their daughter would kill herself if she didn't have the surgery: ‘It is better to have a live son than a dead daughter’.

These people are simply monsters. They looked at their oaths to Do No Harm and flushed them down the toilet in favor of Far Left Gender Insanity. The doctors and nurses involved in this case and countless others, should have their license to practice stripped forever from them and never be allowed near children again.



When I first saw this story it was eerily familiar, and I thought it was just the media finally catching onto the story of a young woman I saw an interview of with Lila Rose of Live Action. But nope, that was another girl, Chloe Cole, with almost the same story of coercion and abuse by medical professionals to force her and her parents into 'transition' and surgery.

Still, as some around here insist, we should just allow "the medical professionals who are directly involved and more knowledgeable about the condition" to terrify parents into letting them conduct their experimental research even as countries with a longer history of doing this have been hitting the brakes and even reversing course.

[rogue06]

"almost nobody" Yet we have multiple examples of multiple healthcare providers and doctors doing exactly this. Literally two different almost identical examples provided right in my OP. So clearly far more than 'almost nobody in the field' think that this is okay and are quite willing to do this.

There was undercover video just this last week or so of a person getting essentially a 20 minute visit and being approved for testicle removal surgery and the doctors even being willing to make up a gender dysphoria diagnosis in order to move it along for the person.

So sorry, but you're full of crap.

And yeah, not getting into your attempt to distract about 'for-profit healthcare system' because this crap is happening in socialist healthcate hellholes too, so kindly run along if you can't keep on topic. But hey, that and victim blaming appears to be your only argument in defense of these monsters. Pretty damn pathetic.

Some of these supposed "medical professionals who are directly involved and more knowledgeable about the condition" remind me of the doctors who ran clinics that were known as pill mills.

I lived near one back in the late 70s early 80s where people came from far and wide^[1] to get virtually no-questions-asked prescriptions for Quaaludes. You literally filled out a questionnaire that the doctor glanced at as he signed the prescription.




1. Their parking lot was jammed often with cars from out of state

[Terraceth]

If the set of facts are indeed as she claims (always questionable when we only hear one side of the story like this, and particularly so in this instance where the complainant self-confesses to having a huge array of psychological issues in the complaint), then indeed these particular doctors seem to have acted very unethically and should be punished for it. Almost nobody in the field would think that such a small amount of psychological counselling, or such a young age for breast removal is appropriate, especially given the presence of multiple co-occurring psychological issues. But there's always a fair chance in cases like this that the facts turn out to be quite different to what is being alleged.

While I would be willing to accept that things could be different in the cases of claims like the doctors coercing her parents and things like that, what does not seem in dispute is the fact she was 13 and had breast removal surgery. I say that because if that surgery was never performed and it was all made up, I can't imagine any lawyer would actually take the case; I expect even an utterly incompetent lawyer would at least want evidence that the surgery happened before they issued lawsuits. And even if such an utterly incompetent lawyer existed, Kaiser would have just responded with "we never did this surgery, this is made up." So it seems clear that, if nothing else, the surgery was carried out.

Thus even setting aside the other claims like whether the doctors did coercion as was claimed, we're still left with a 13-year-old having breast removal surgery because they thought they were transgender. That in and of itself is a big problem, I feel.

[Starlight]

While I would be willing to accept that things could be different in the cases of claims like the doctors coercing her parents and things like that, what does not seem in dispute is the fact she was 13 and had breast removal surgery. I say that because if that surgery was never performed and it was all made up, I can't imagine any lawyer would actually take the case; I expect even an utterly incompetent lawyer would at least want evidence that the surgery happened before they issued lawsuits. And even if such an utterly incompetent lawyer existed, Kaiser would have just responded with "we never did this surgery, this is made up." So it seems clear that, if nothing else, the surgery was carried out.

I'm less willing to make that assumption. The lawyer might have been deceived by the plaintiff. This lawsuit might be being funded by right-wing groups just for the headlines it generates regardless of the facts with the intent to not pursue it once headlines are created. The group being sued might indeed respond with "this never happened".

Thus even setting aside the other claims like whether the doctors did coercion as was claimed, we're still left with a 13-year-old having breast removal surgery because they thought they were transgender. That in and of itself is a big problem, I feel.

I personally agree that breast removal surgery is inappropriate at age 13. That does not seem remotely like appropriate or justified medical practice, and if doctors did deviate that far from medically accepted practices, it would be appropriate for them to receive punishment. I do generally think that more formal medical guidelines should be set up in the US medical industry for handling transgender patients. It seems in danger of being a wild west situation.

[Machinist]

This lawsuit might be being funded by right-wing groups just for the headlines it generates regardless of the facts with the intent to not pursue it once headlines are created.

This happens all the freaking time! It's not the point to win in the court of law, but rather win in the court of public opinion.

[Diogenes]

This happens all the freaking time! It's not the point to win in the court of law, but rather win in the court of public opinion.

If you wish to complain about people pursing headlines, you should look at the times when the news (which is mainly liberal) which publishes an article with a headline that is either intentionally ambiguous or is refuted in the headlines as either rogue06 orMountain Man has shown to be the case with the Target Pride bomb threats. Then of course there is the issue of Democrats saying Republicans vote down certain bills without revealing the actual points the Republicans disagree. Who would vote against a bill title The Violence Against Women Act.

In regard to trans "healthcare", the line of "Would you rather have a dead child or alive trans child?" used to chill dissent.