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  • #31
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

    Liberals tend to prefer to use the government to force others to do and pay for things they want.
    Absolutely --- and they often even refuse to pay their own taxes that they foist on the rest of us.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      Absolutely --- and they often even refuse to pay their own taxes that they foist on the rest of us.
      And if they're politicians they don't even have to pay any fines, interest or penalties -- just what they were originally supposed to pay. So effectively it's an interest free loan but one they only have to pay back if they get caught.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

        Liberals tend to prefer to use the government to force others to do and pay for things they want.
        They pick our pockets, then give that to someone else (while pocketing a 'service fee') and claim they are so charitable.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          And if they're politicians they don't even have to pay any fines, interest or penalties -- just what they were originally supposed to pay. So effectively it's an interest free loan but one they only have to pay back if they get caught.
          Yup -- Federal employees owe $3.3B in back taxes
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

            They pick our pockets, then give that to someone else (while pocketing a 'service fee') and claim they are so charitable.
            Liberals are incredibly generous -- with other people's money.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

              They got away with it in the same way any demonization works. They take a group that is disenfranchised put all the of blame for said feelings of disenfranchisement on a group or groups encouraging hate and revenge, and then the disenfranchised eventually become so controlled by their anger that they attack and subdue those who have been blamed for all of their problems. Sometimes the group being blamed is an innocent scapegoat, and sometimes they have perpetrated some bad things in the past in some point. The only way to stop this kind of thing is to get at the root, and that's treating other groups as subhuman and taking out your own anger and hate on them. If you don't stop that, then you are just continuing the problems.
              Nazis used emotional scapegoating to attack Jews (and others) but they still did not explain why or how any person could be subhuman. If evidence ever came along that "Ethnicity A" consistently scored low or high on IQ tests, or low/high on agility testing, or were more inclined toward science or math or entertainment .... or just anything specific that is held in high regard, then one can make a superior/inferior claim. And even then, it would only apply to the one specific, and only then it would apply as a generalization. That's why I don't believe "racism" is defined as such because "superior" and "inferior" are relative terms, and are specific. Without any qualification, such a definition is essentially meaningless.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Liberals are incredibly generous -- with other people's money.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                  Nazis used emotional scapegoating to attack Jews (and others) but they still did not explain why or how any person could be subhuman. If evidence ever came along that "Ethnicity A" consistently scored low or high on IQ tests, or low/high on agility testing, or were more inclined toward science or math or entertainment .... or just anything specific that is held in high regard, then one can make a superior/inferior claim. And even then, it would only apply to the one specific, and only then it would apply as a generalization. That's why I don't believe "racism" is defined as such because "superior" and "inferior" are relative terms, and are specific. Without any qualification, such a definition is essentially meaningless.
                  They did appeal to the science of the day using Eugenics and used all of the arguments and rationalizations that go along with it. They also portrayed Jews as parasites that move into a society and then through manipulative means accrue wealth until they are a threat to the "host" society. One of the first groups the Nazi's went after was the disabled, which many people are very willing to put into the subhuman and/or drain on society category.

                  While the idea that some "races" are inferior and subhuman seems preposterous to many today it's been a common idea for a long time. Today you have this type of idea rising in the ranks on the left and in some Black communities. In the former it's stuff like whites people are inherently racist and can only ever be racist and in the latter you have the Nation of Islam idea that white people are the result of genetic experiments performed by Jacob(the one from the Bible) that selected for evil. It's where the "white devil" idea comes from.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                    They did appeal to the science of the day using Eugenics and used all of the arguments and rationalizations that go along with it. They also portrayed Jews as parasites that move into a society and then through manipulative means accrue wealth until they are a threat to the "host" society. One of the first groups the Nazi's went after was the disabled, which many people are very willing to put into the subhuman and/or drain on society category.

                    While the idea that some "races" are inferior and subhuman seems preposterous to many today it's been a common idea for a long time. Today you have this type of idea rising in the ranks on the left and in some Black communities. In the former it's stuff like whites people are inherently racist and can only ever be racist and in the latter you have the Nation of Islam idea that white people are the result of genetic experiments performed by Jacob(the one from the Bible) that selected for evil. It's where the "white devil" idea comes from.
                    The Nazis latched onto science and showed how it can be twisted to support an agenda when they embraced Pasteur and Koch and Germ Theory likening Jews to a "racial tuberculosis" and a "bacillus" that needed to be eradicated.

                    And with the disabled, it was definitely the latter that got pushed and used to support euthanasia


                    image_50643.jpg
                    It reads: "This person suffering from hereditary defects
                    costs the community 60,000 Reichsmark during his
                    lifetime. Fellow German, that is your money, too."

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Liberals are incredibly generous -- with other people's money.
                      As the great Margaret Thatcher once said, "Socialism is a great system, until you run out of other people's money."
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        The Nazis latched onto science and showed how it can be twisted to support an agenda when they embraced Pasteur and Koch and Germ Theory likening Jews to a "racial tuberculosis" and a "bacillus" that needed to be eradicated.

                        And with the disabled, it was definitely the latter that got pushed and used to support euthanasia

                        image_50643.jpg
                        It reads: "This person suffering from hereditary defects
                        costs the community 60,000 Reichsmark during his
                        lifetime. Fellow German, that is your money, too."

                        The Nazis weren't as clever as the post-war progressive. Post-war progressives thought you've got them before they're born. Imagine if Nazis built abortion clinics throughout Jewish neighborhoods, and then got the Jews to argue it's their right to abort their fetuses and all who oppose it are antisemitic and authoritarian. It's almost too hard to believe anyone could actually be that clever.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post


                          The Nazis weren't as clever as the post-war progressive. Post-war progressives thought you've got them before they're born. Imagine if Nazis built abortion clinics throughout Jewish neighborhoods, and then got the Jews to argue it's their right to abort their fetuses and all who oppose it are antisemitic and authoritarian. It's almost too hard to believe anyone could actually be that clever.
                          Liberals argue that banning abortion is racist because it would disproportionality affect black women, seemingly unaware of the horrifying premise behind that argument.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                            Liberals argue that banning abortion is racist because it would disproportionality affect black women, seemingly unaware of the horrifying premise behind that argument.
                            That's how evil would do it too; flip it on its head Orwellian style. I can't imagine leftists don't know that minorities are disproportionately aborted more than whites. Maybe the real dumb leftist tools you see on social media, but not the loudest voices in politics. Which is why it's so bizarre to me to see black political democrats pushing that leftist "abortion rights" narrative. But there were also many Jews that betrayed other Jews in Nazi Germany, so it's not like it's a new phenomenon.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post

                              That's how evil would do it too; flip it on its head Orwellian style. I can't imagine leftists don't know that minorities are disproportionately aborted more than whites. Maybe the real dumb leftist tools you see on social media, but not the loudest voices in politics. Which is why it's so bizarre to me to see black political democrats pushing that leftist "abortion rights" narrative. But there were also many Jews that betrayed other Jews in Nazi Germany, so it's not like it's a new phenomenon.
                              Much of that was done in the name of survival. There is no such pressure today.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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