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[oxmixmudd]

U.S. attorney - reviewing documents marked classified from Joe Biden's Vice Presidency found at Biden think tank

Attorney General Merrick Garland has assigned the U.S. attorney in Chicago to review documents marked classified that were found at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Washington, two sources with knowledge of the inquiry told CBS News. The roughly 10 documents are from President Biden's vice-presidential office at the center, the sources said. CBS News has learned the FBI is also involved in the U.S. attorney's inquiry.

The material was identified by personal attorneys for Mr. Biden on Nov. 2, just before the midterm elections, Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president confirmed. The documents were discovered when Mr. Biden's personal attorneys "were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.," Sauber said in a statement to CBS News. The documents were contained in a folder that was in a box with other unclassified papers, the sources said. The sources revealed neither what the documents contain nor their level of classification. A source familiar told CBS News the documents did not contain nuclear secrets.

Sauber also said that on the same day the material was discovered, Nov. 2, the White House counsel's office notified the National Archives, which took possession of the materials the following morning.

"The discovery of these documents was made by the President's attorneys," Sauber said. "The documents were not the subject of any previous request or inquiry by the Archives. Since that discovery, the President's personal attorneys have cooperated with the Archives and the Department of Justice in a process to ensure that any Obama-Biden Administration records are appropriately in the possession of the Archives."

Sure - I'll stir things up a bit. A first set found at some out of the way place might have been accidental. But with a second set showing up in a storage area in his home, IHO, I think there is a non-zero chance there were planted by Trump supporters. Clearly, we have to wait and see. But given who Trump is, and who his people are, I'm going to entertain that as a possibility unless the evidence proves otherwise. I know I would not purposefully take documents of any classification outside a space designed to hold them without following the associated procedures and having the necessary designations that allow one to courier such documents. And I doubt there are many that would. The penalties for doing so (for mere mortals) are far too high.

I will also point out the obvious differences here.

RED

1) Trump took them, by all accounts on purpose.
2) Trump tried to hide them
3) The number of documents is 100's
4) The NA knew about these documents up front, and requested they be returned
5) Tump's lawyers went so far as to lie about whether all documents had been returned.
6) Trump's minions have tried to claim he had a 'right' to them

BLUE

1) in each case upon discovery, the NA was notified immediately and they were returned
2) The number of documents so far is small.
3) these are documents that have 'been in the wind' for over a decade (This in itself is suspicious. EVERY classified document is tracked and records kept anytime they are moved outside a secured area)
4) no one in the Biden presidency is trying to make excuses or cover it up, in spite of the fact it presents significant problems for Biden and the prosecution of Donald Trumps purposed and criminal confiscation of 100's of secure documents

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[Cow Poke]

Sure - I'll stir things up a bit. A first set found at some out of the way place might have been accidental. But with a second set showing up in a storage area in his home, IHO, I think there is a non-zero chance there were planted by Trump supporters....

wow.... I honestly did not see that coming, even from you.

[Cow Poke]

...
I will also point out the obvious differences here.

RED

1) Trump took them, by all accounts on purpose.
2) Trump tried to hide them
3) The number of documents is 100's
4) The NA knew about these documents up front, and requested they be returned
5) Tump's lawyers went so far as to lie about whether all documents had been returned.
6) Trump's minions have tried to claim he had a 'right' to them

BLUE

1) in each case upon discovery, the NA was notified immediately and they were returned
2) The number of documents so far is small.
3) these are documents that have 'been in the wind' for over a decade (This in itself is suspicious. EVERY classified document is tracked and records kept anytime they are moved outside a secured area)
4) no one in the Biden presidency is trying to make excuses or cover it up, in spite of the fact it presents significant problems for Biden and the prosecution of Donald Trumps purposed and criminal confiscation of 100's of secure documents

I'm sure nobody is surprised that you conveniently omitted yet another obvious difference...

RED
Trump, as POTUS, had the power to declassify any documents in his possession

BLUE
Bide, as VPOTUS, had zero power to declassify any documents at all

[CivilDiscourse]

wow.... I honestly did not see that coming, even from you.

Why do you not have a tinfoil hat Smiley?

[rogue06]

Why do you not have a tinfoil hat Smiley?

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[Mountain Man]

A first set found at some out of the way place might have been accidental. But with a second set showing up in a storage area in his home, IHO, I think there is a non-zero chance there were planted by Trump supporters.

Please, please tell me you're joking.

[oxmixmudd]

wow.... I honestly did not see that coming, even from you.

'even from you'

Yeah - no one is going there in the media either that I know of - and rightfully so. At this point there is no evidence they were planted.

But It's just a little too convenient to me that these documents 'show up' just as the Trump nears his rightful day of reconning for stealing over 300 classified documents and trying to hold onto them. And I don't expect anything here other they feigned shock from the Trump supporters - so you are right where I expected you to be on this.

One difference though, I won't be claiming they WERE planted unless there is actual evidence supporting it. Nor will I be brow beating any of you for being so 'stupid' as to not accept my speculation as fact.

And guess what, unlike most of you on the Trump side, I WILL also look at and try to evaluate any evidence presented by any republican dominated investigation into the matter.

[oxmixmudd]

I'm sure nobody is surprised that you conveniently omitted yet another obvious difference...

RED
Trump, as POTUS, had the power to declassify any documents in his possession

BLUE
Bide, as VPOTUS, had zero power to declassify any documents at all

That is because that is irrelevant. He did not declassify the documents, that is why they were still in their enclusures and still retained their portion markings etc. Declassifying a document is not an after the fact comment after you've already left office. Nor is it an off the cuff comment while you are in office.

[Gondwanaland]

'even from you'

Yeah - no one is going there in the media either that I know of - and rightfully so. At this point there is no evidence they were planted.

But It's just a little too convenient

The only thing a "little too convenient" here is the documents being discovered just before the midterms, but the discovery being kept secret until the midterms and ensuing runoff were safely past and unable to be hurt by the revelation.

to me that these documents 'show up' just as the Trump nears his rightful day of reconning for stealing over 300 classified documents and trying to hold onto them. And I don't expect anything here other they feigned shock from the Trump supporters - so you are right where I expected you to be on this.

One difference though, I won't be claiming they WERE planted unless there is actual evidence supporting it. Nor will I be brow beating any of you for being so 'stupid' as to not accept my speculation as fact.

And guess what, unlike most of you on the Trump side, I WILL also look at and try to evaluate any evidence presented by any republican dominated investigation into the matter.

Yeah no, you hinted and implied it which makes you no different than the trumptards like MM who were claiming the same about the Trump documents. Two sides of the same coin.

[oxmixmudd]

The only thing a "little too convenient" here is the documents being discovered just before the midterms, but the discovery being kept secret until the midterms and ensuing runoff were safely past and unable to be hurt by the revelation.

I would expect if they were discovered in November that more likely than not, they were discovered after the midterms themselves. However, given the policy on NOT releasing information about investigations that could influence elections, It's more like official policy rather than 'convenience'.

Yeah no, you hinted and implied it which makes you no different than the trumptards like MM who were claiming the same about the Trump documents. Two sides of the same coin.

Oh dear - no different than MM ... that really hurts.

But no, the difference here is that I'm not claiming there is any evidence to support it, nor am I demeaning the intelligence of anyone that does not share my concern.

[Cow Poke]

'even from you'

Well, you're the most partisan individual I know, so....

Yeah - no one is going there in the media either that I know of - and rightfully so. At this point there is no evidence they were planted.

But you don't hesitate to throw it out there.

But It's just a little too convenient to me that these documents 'show up' just as the Trump nears his rightful day of reconning for stealing over 300 classified documents and trying to hold onto them. And I don't expect anything here other they feigned shock from the Trump supporters - so you are right where I expected you to be on this.

One difference though, I won't be claiming they WERE planted unless there is actual evidence supporting it. Nor will I be brow beating any of you for being so 'stupid' as to not accept my speculation as fact.

And guess what, unlike most of you on the Trump side, I WILL also look at and try to evaluate any evidence presented by any republican dominated investigation into the matter.

Have I "brow beated" you as "stupid", Jim? Incredibly partisan, yes --- stupid, never even hinted such.

[seer]

'even from you'

Yeah - no one is going there in the media either that I know of - and rightfully so. At this point there is no evidence they were planted.

But It's just a little too convenient to me that these documents 'show up' just as the Trump nears his rightful day of reconning for stealing over 300 classified documents and trying to hold onto them. And I don't expect anything here other they feigned shock from the Trump supporters - so you are right where I expected you to be on this.

One difference though, I won't be claiming they WERE planted unless there is actual evidence supporting it. Nor will I be brow beating any of you for being so 'stupid' as to not accept my speculation as fact.

And guess what, unlike most of you on the Trump side, I WILL also look at and try to evaluate any evidence presented by any republican dominated investigation into the matter.

You don't get it Jim, Trump is off the hook now...

[oxmixmudd]

you would expect wrong. Bidens lawyers have already admitted they were discovered on November 2nd. 6 days BEFORE the midterms. Nice try though at defending your boy.

YEs, I found that out after I answered you, but with all the complaints about me editing posts too late, I let it be. You'll notice my reply to seer included that information.

The trump stuff was known withon the same week.

??? "The Trump Stuff". Surely you don't mean the fact he held secret documents and was refusing to give them back. That was going on since summer. The FBI raid was August 8th.

you are though. And now you have to explain the "nonzero chance" in light of the documents found in Biden'sown home.

Already explained what I needed to explain. I stated a statistical probability, and then found out the actual date was 11/2. Statistics are statistics, Reality is Reality.

[Cow Poke]

YEs, I found that out after I answered you, but with all the complaints about me editing posts too late, I let it be....

Nobody's 'complaining', Jim --- just pointing out the difficulty when we answer one of your posts, only to note that you revised and extended your remarks.

Perhaps I made an impression on you when I noted that you kept revising your attack on my character to make it more and more hateful.

[Cow Poke]

Sure - I'll stir things up a bit. A first set found at some out of the way place might have been accidental. But with a second set showing up in a storage area in his home, IHO, I think there is a non-zero chance there were planted by Trump supporters....

NEWS FLASH!!! This just in! It's not Trump supporters who planted those documents, but liberal Democrats who don't want Biden to run again, so they are purposely sabotaging him!!!!


(yeah, I totally made that up -- I think)