Switzerland plans to BAN EVs from roads & order games consoles turned off

[Starlight]

Hydro is clean and reliable but often faces challenges from environmentalists because typically you need to dam a river and they'll fight that tooth and nail over here.

Most developed countries have built hydro in most of the easy spots to do so, so it's generally not practical to expand hydro much further. We have the same challenges in my country with regard to new hydro projects.

I wasn't meaning in my post above that we should built new hydro, just that the existing hydro was a good component to keep in the energy production mix.

Though a lot of work is now going into hydro pumped-storage projects (where the hydro is used like a battery: Excess energy from solar/wind is used to pump water upstream / up into a high lake, and then later the energy is reclaimed through hydro), which have requirements a bit different to normal hydro, so I think it's likely we'll see a few more of those built around the place.

Nuclear has the advantage that you can put it pretty much anywhere (needs some access to water; and as the Japanese found out putting it right on a tsunami-prone coastline is dumb) so you're not dependent on finding river valleys that aren't already dammed.

[Starlight]

Green lobbies are against nuclear and large scale hydro projects. Also, there was an issue with (allegedly) Gazprom funding Green NGOs.

I'm very pro-green, and usually vote for the Green party in my country (which isn't a wasted vote like it would be in the US because our electoral system means they win seats). I'm very pro both nuclear and large scale hydro projects. So I guess you mean that people who are lobbies who are also green are sometimes against those things. I haven't personally encountered such a person, but I'm sure some exist.

[rogue06]

Most developed countries have built hydro in most of the easy spots to do so, so it's generally not practical to expand hydro much further. We have the same challenges in my country with regard to new hydro projects.

I wasn't meaning in my post above that we should built new hydro, just that the existing hydro was a good component to keep in the energy production mix.

Though a lot of work is now going into hydro pumped-storage projects (where the hydro is used like a battery: Excess energy from solar/wind is used to pump water upstream / up into a high lake, and then later the energy is reclaimed through hydro), which have requirements a bit different to normal hydro, so I think it's likely we'll see a few more of those built around the place.

Nuclear has the advantage that you can put it pretty much anywhere (needs some access to water; and as the Japanese found out putting it right on a tsunami-prone coastline is dumb) so you're not dependent on finding river valleys that aren't already dammed.

As populations continue to grow energy resources need to be expanded. Solar and wind are simply not ready for prime time and aren't even feasible in many areas. If they won't build new dams then there are presently only two solutions -- nuclear or fossil fuels.

[Diogenes]

I'm very pro-green, and usually vote for the Green party in my country (which isn't a wasted vote like it would be in the US because our electoral system means they win seats). I'm very pro both nuclear and large scale hydro projects. So I guess you mean that people who are lobbies who are also green are sometimes against those things. I haven't personally encountered such a person, but I'm sure some exist.

The Sierra Club is a large Green lobby in the US and is committed to be anti-nuclear.

[Cow Poke]

Most developed countries have built hydro in most of the easy spots to do so, so it's generally not practical to expand hydro much further. We have the same challenges in my country with regard to new hydro projects.

I wasn't meaning in my post above that we should built new hydro, just that the existing hydro was a good component to keep in the energy production mix.

Though a lot of work is now going into hydro pumped-storage projects (where the hydro is used like a battery: Excess energy from solar/wind is used to pump water upstream / up into a high lake, and then later the energy is reclaimed through hydro), which have requirements a bit different to normal hydro, so I think it's likely we'll see a few more of those built around the place.

Nuclear has the advantage that you can put it pretty much anywhere (needs some access to water; and as the Japanese found out putting it right on a tsunami-prone coastline is dumb) so you're not dependent on finding river valleys that aren't already dammed.

The cogent reasoning in this post is quite refreshing!

[Cerebrum123]

I really don't like Trump and it pains me that I'm put in these positions of seemingly defending the man because of their irrational arguments.

I think that is true of a lot of people. So many became completely unhinged once Trump was nominated that defense against insanely false charges was considered full support of him.

[Mountain Man]

And Trump didn't lie about the election, and Trump had the biggest inauguration crowd in history, and Trump did a good job getting the vaccines out, and Trump didn't try to turn 'his crowd' on Pence, and Trump didn't try to say it was OK for the jan 6 crowd to have guns because they weren't going to hurt him, and so on.

And what does your little list of liberal conspiracy theories have to do with the fact that Trump was harder on Russia than any other president since Reagan, and that he never weakened the NATO alliance but simply asked member nations to start paying their fair share?

[Cow Poke]

I think that is true of a lot of people. So many became completely unhinged once Trump was nominated that defense against insanely false charges was considered full support of him.

Worse than that --- you can't be neutral, you have to hate Trump as much as they do, or you're defending him.

[Gondwanaland]

I'm very pro-green, and usually vote for the Green party in my country (which isn't a wasted vote like it would be in the US because our electoral system means they win seats). I'm very pro both nuclear and large scale hydro projects. So I guess you mean that people who are lobbies who are also green are sometimes against those things. I haven't personally encountered such a person, but I'm sure some exist.

Unfortunately most of the Green lobby has been anti-nuclear since the 70s and 80s in the US and worldwide. Only recently have I seen some groups start to realize they are a bunch of morons and change their stance.

[NorrinRadd]

I believe the current push is something that began long ago. I lived between two nuclear power plants in California in the 1980s and 1990s, and it seemed there were always protests going on. Mostly by gray-ponytailed hippies that believed every plant was going to meltdown. Actor Martin "Dingbat" Sheen was a prominent one, and was arrested several times.

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Diablo...clear_protests

I think it started with the Three-Mile Island incident, and "The China Syndrome" flick, both in '79.

[Ronson]

I think it started with the Three-Mile Island incident, and "The China Syndrome" flick, both in '79.

There was a rumor going 'round back then that a single "meltdown" was capable of reaching the center of the earth, and it would cause all sorts of catastrophes all over the planet, perhaps even affecting earth's orbit. Typical doomsayer environmental blather. But I admit, it did a pretty good job on Chernobyl.

[seanD]

I think that is true of a lot of people. So many became completely unhinged once Trump was nominated that defense against insanely false charges was considered full support of him.

It's how they make him a martyr. With all the frivolous investigations, unhinged sentiments, and fake accusations we've seen for the last 6 years, I actually start feeling indignant and suspicious about how they're treating Trump even though I don't like him for different reasons. The more they hate him, the more it makes me want to support him. It's a really weird dynamic the TDS left has created around this guy.

[Starlight]

There was a rumor going 'round back then that a single "meltdown" was capable of reaching the center of the earth, and it would cause all sorts of catastrophes all over the planet, perhaps even affecting earth's orbit. Typical doomsayer environmental blather. But I admit, it did a pretty good job on Chernobyl.

Random people do have the strangest beliefs about nuclear power. I saw a TYT clip a year or so back where they seemed to believe that nuclear power plants could explode like nuclear bombs. The recent TV series 100 had a radiation death wave coming from untended nuclear power plants.

People really don't seem to realize that in terms of deaths caused per unit of energy produced over history nuclear has been among the safest of all energy generation technologies. And yes, that includes Chernobyl.

[Cow Poke]

Random people do have the strangest beliefs about nuclear power. I saw a TYT clip a year or so back where they seemed to believe that nuclear power plants could explode like nuclear bombs. The recent TV series 100 had a radiation death wave coming from untended nuclear power plants.

People really don't seem to realize that in terms of deaths caused per unit of energy produced over history nuclear has been among the safest of all energy generation technologies. And yes, that includes Chernobyl.

I'm not ready for nuclear reactors on airplanes, but our Navy's ships have been using them quite safely, effectively and efficiently for decades.

[Cerebrum123]

Random people do have the strangest beliefs about nuclear power. I saw a TYT clip a year or so back where they seemed to believe that nuclear power plants could explode like nuclear bombs. The recent TV series 100 had a radiation death wave coming from untended nuclear power plants.

People really don't seem to realize that in terms of deaths caused per unit of energy produced over history nuclear has been among the safest of all energy generation technologies. And yes, that includes Chernobyl.

People fear what they don't understand, and nuclear power isn't something the average person understands. They hear about Chernobyl, Fukushima, etc. and think that nuclear power is a huge threat. Radioactive materials handled incorrectly can cause some nasty things to happen, like the Radium Girls incident, or another incident, I believe in Japan, where a man fell apart over a period of weeks(maybe months) due to mishandling the materials. I don't fully remember, but this might have been at Fukushima before the meltdown.