Trump's national security failures

[Tassman]

Look, you guys have been flogging this dead horse for months. Surely if there was anything to this Russian narrative then something, anything concrete would have been discovered by now. Instead it's just the same old rumors, the same old "unnamed sources", the same old fake dossiers, the same old unfounded speculation that liberals have been hyperventilating about since last October, all fed to gullible idiots like you by the same media that served you phony polls saying that Hillary was practically guaranteed to win the election.

Well no! The issue is far from resolved, the investigation is ongoing.

It's time to leave your liberal fantasy world and join the rest of us here in the real one.

http://www.people-press.org/2017/02/...ply-polarized/

[Mountain Man]

Polls

You'd think you guys would have learned your lesson by now, but apparently not.

[Sparko]

I hear Trump is going to make Julian Assange his national security advisor.

[Bill the Cat]

Polls

You'd think you guys would have learned your lesson by now, but apparently not.

President Trump Job Approval
Friday, February 17
Rasmussen Reports
Approve 55, Disapprove 45
Approve +10

[JimL]

President Trump Job Approval
Friday, February 17
Rasmussen Reports
Approve 55, Disapprove 45
Approve +10

Polls

You'd think you guys would have learned your lesson by now, but apparently not.

[Bill the Cat]

Polls

You'd think you guys would have learned your lesson by now, but apparently not.

My point exactly. None of them can be trusted. But hey...keep citing approval rating polls like they matter. It's rather humorous to those of us who watched your side piss their pants on election night because... polls!!

[lilpixieofterror]

Polls

You'd think you guys would have learned your lesson by now, but apparently not.

More unintentional irony.

[JimL]

My point exactly. None of them can be trusted. But hey...keep citing approval rating polls like they matter. It's rather humorous to those of us who watched your side piss their pants on election night because... polls!!

Keep ignoring them as if they don't matter. They do. The polls weren't off by much in the election, Hillary won by 3 million votes nationally, just as the polls predicted, and the purple states she ended up losing, which cost her the electoral college, were always tight in the polls. Its not an exact science, and there is always a small margin of error, but they are way more often right in the aggregate than they are wrong. Dewey lost to Truman also, remember? It happens.

[Bill the Cat]

Keep ignoring them as if they don't matter. They do.

No they don't.

The polls weren't off by much in the election,

They were off so much that several went on record saying they needed to reconsider their methodology.

Hillary won

No she didn't. Trump won.

by 3 million votes nationally,

Which doesn't matter at all.

just as the polls predicted,

No. The majority of national polls routinely had her up by 4-6%, which is far more than the .5% that she actually received. They also gave her routinely an 80-85% chance of winning.

and the purple states she ended up losing, which cost her the electoral college, were always tight in the polls.

2 days before the election, Clinton was up by 5 in Michigan and 8 in Wisconsin. 3 days before, Clinton was up by 4 in Pennsylvania.

Its not an exact science, and there is always a small margin of error,

Yet the "within our margin of error" is usually a footnote in their proclamation of their results.

but they are way more often right in the aggregate than they are wrong.

They have not fared so well in the last few years.

Dewey lost to Truman also, remember? It happens.

Different era.

[Mountain Man]

Keep ignoring them as if they don't matter. They do. The polls weren't off by much in the election, Hillary won by 3 million votes nationally, just as the polls predicted, and the purple states she ended up losing, which cost her the electoral college, were always tight in the polls. Its not an exact science, and there is always a small margin of error, but they are way more often right in the aggregate than they are wrong. Dewey lost to Truman also, remember? It happens.

Wrong, Jimmy. The polls were so far off that Hillary supporters were literally stunned when Trump stomped all over her on election night. There are reports of Hillary campaign staffers throughout the country who were so certain of a win that after seeing early exit polls, they broke open bottles of champaign to celebrate, but of course the celebration didn't last long. Search YouTube for "crying hillary supporters" and witness their utter despair and confusion as state after state went to Trump. Truth be told, even Trump wasn't sure he could win until his own internal polling team explained the flaws in the methodology being used by the mainstream media. Then there's Hillary who was so gob-smacked by her loss that she couldn't even bring herself to make a concession speech on the night of the election.

To claim that everybody thought the election was toss-up is revisionist history at its best.

[JimL]

Wrong, Jimmy. The polls were so far off that Hillary supporters were literally stunned when Trump stomped all over her on election night. There are reports of Hillary campaign staffers throughout the country who were so certain of a win that after seeing early exit polls, they broke open bottles of champaign to celebrate, but of course the celebration didn't last long. Search YouTube for "crying hillary supporters" and witness their utter despair and confusion as state after state went to Trump. Truth be told, even Trump wasn't sure he could win until his own internal polling team explained the flaws in the methodology being used by the mainstream media. Then there's Hillary who was so gob-smacked by her loss that she couldn't even bring herself to make a concession speech on the night of the election.

To claim that everybody thought the election was toss-up is revisionist history at its best.

Nope, just not true. It is true that most people thought that Hillary would win, mostly because she had more ways than Trump had for getting there. Trump won because he succeeded in the only way that he could, which was to win all of those tight races in the purple states. It is because the races were so close in those states that though Trump ended up eking them out, Hillary still won the national vote by 3 million. How people were reacting to the polls which did look to be in Hillary's favor is of no consequence, those purple states could still have gone either way, and they ended up going for Trump. But to argue that the polls were way off and that therefore polls are worthless is just wishful thinking. Trump has an unfavorable poll right now of around 55%, rasmussen of course being an outlier which it always is because it is a biased poll, and that is a huge number for any newly elected president this early in his term.

[rogue06]

When the election night news coverage began most of the pundits were already crafting Trump's political obituary. Ironically Trump's path to victory was a route that nobody, even Trump's supporters brought up, namely winning in Wisconsin.

[Mountain Man]

When the election night news coverage began most of the pundits were already crafting Trump's political obituary. Ironically Trump's path to victory was a route that nobody, even Trump's supporters brought up, namely winning in Wisconsin.

The thing is, the polls weren't wrong because the pollsters didn't know any better. They were wrong because the polls were deliberately skewed hard in Hillary's favor by oversampling Democrats and arbitrarily lumping independents into the "Will vote for Hillary" column. I believe the Democrat party uses the term "weaponized polling" to describe this tactic of using rigged polls to try and energize Democrat voters and discourage Republicans. Unfortunately for them, it backfired "bigly".

[Bill the Cat]

Trump has an unfavorable poll right now of around 55%...

It hasn't changed since the election, so nothing he's done has made him less favorable.

[Sparko]

I love how JimL misremembers the whole poll fiasco.

or maybe Darfius is right about the Mandela Effect after all?