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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAh lets see, what makes an expert? Someone educated, someone with great knowledge and experience in their particular field of study.
ex = has been
spurt = drip under pressure
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt was reported by the New York Times. In the course of the article they explicitly cite a named person they talked to about it.
The article starts with:The quote that they then use as a cite for this:
One may notice that the claims of the article are "expanded" considerably from what Michael McKenna said, likely to try to make Rick Perry look worse. But apparently, Michael McKenna has said his statements were taken out of context to begin with. So the person they "explicitly cite" doesn't actually back up their claims.
Although I'm generally not that big on the National Review, they have a pretty good piece here pointing out the errors in the New York Times article.Last edited by Terraceth; 01-22-2017, 01:26 PM.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt was reported by the New York Times. In the course of the article they explicitly cite a named person they talked to about it.
The person they named was their alibi for the lie. The guy had no way of knowing what Perry did or did not know given that he left the transition team before Perry was given his position. The NYT then takes this guy's speculation (who again, has no more idea of what Perry knows than you do) and then frames it as absolute fact, because it's a garbage propaganda outlet and not a news source.
Your article is misleading."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostAnd in the world's most blatant conflict of interest, Pruitt plans to continue the dozen or so open lawsuits he filed against the EPA as attorney general of Oklahoma, once he is on the other side of them as head of the EPA. So he'll be both the plaintiff and defendant.
With Obama, he was so worried about accepting a nobel prize that he had lawyers do research to make sure that wasn't a conflict of interest to be receiving a benefit from a foreign entity as US president."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostTwo problems. First, the person they cite (Michael McKenna) does not actually say what they claim at the start; they fluffed out his statements quite a bit.
This article happens to quote one named source directly, so I referred the doubters to that fact, but again I assume that the writers have other sources too because that is how journalism works.
Although I'm generally not that big on the National Review, they have a pretty good piece here pointing out the errors in the New York Times article.
It seems clear from Perry's own statement this week:
"after being briefed on so many of the vital functions of the Department of Energy, I regret recommending its elimination."
The question thus becomes: at what point did Perry gain the knowledge about the department's function, before or after he accepted Trump's nomination to head it? His own statement gives the answer: "after being briefed on so many of the vital functions of the Department of Energy, I regret recommending its elimination." In context he is talking about the time he spent talking to Obama's DoE head Ernest Moniz, after he was nominated by Trump. So Perry's own claimed timeline is that Trump nominated him and he accepted, still wanting to abolish the DoE, and then after learning what it did by talking to Moniz, he now no longer wanted to abolish it. That suggests that the NYT article is entirely correct in all respects."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostIt would be rare and unprofessional for journalists to run a story based on only one source without confirming it for themselves with other sources not named in the piece.
Are you really that unfamiliar with the New York Times? They have a long history of publishing fake news.Last edited by Mountain Man; 01-22-2017, 05:03 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe simple fact is that you don't have Trump's kind of success in business without knowing how to pick the right people for the job,
But even if he did so, you morons would still defend him:
Not paying taxes is smart! Unless you're a democrat, in which case it's criminal!
Being deeply in debt to Russia is smart!
Not giving any money to charity is smart!
Not being nearly as rich as you say you are is smart!
Not being smart is smart!"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAre you really that unfamiliar with the New York Times? They have a long history of publishing fake news."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, now you are free to just believe whatever Trump wants to feed you, because the MSM can never be trusted."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostYou're so gullible that you think Trump is successful at business. Dude, the guy is one of the worst businessmen in the world, and has managed to lose money on all sorts of things... Trump airlines, Trump casinos, Trump steaks, etc. His losses were so huge that they offset his profits for the next 15 years or so. He's only got money cos he inherited it from his daddy and then banks and businessmen around the world were stupid enough to lend him more, which he promptly lost, and is now massively in debt. The guy is a total charlatan and loser. That's why he can't release his tax returns.
But even if he did so, you morons would still defend him:
Not paying taxes is smart! Unless you're a democrat, in which case it's criminal!
Being deeply in debt to Russia is smart!
Not giving any money to charity is smart!
Not being nearly as rich as you say you are is smart!
Not being smart is smart!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostI'm familiar with the fact that they've had an occasional scandal, but are otherwise generally a reputable source. I'm familiar with the fact that Breitbart publishes fake news on a daily basis, yet you swallow it whole, because you're that stupid.
It constantly amazes how someone so ignorant can have such an undeserved air of confidence. The psychology behind it is fascinating.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"Occasional scandal" ...
It constantly amazes how someone so ignorant can have such an undeserved air of confidence. The psychology behind it is fascinating.
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