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Should Jeff Sessions prosecute marijuana/cannabis users, suppliers, and growers?

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  • #31
    Originally posted by myth View Post
    There's no good reason for marijuana to be illegal. And I'd rather deal with a pothead over a drunk or meth addict/crackhead any day. In my view, allowing people who want to get high the chance to legally purchase and consume marijuana isn't a bad thing, since practically every other drug they might chose is worse (both for society in general and for the individual user).
    So what business is it of yours what they put in their bodies? Why does crack being bad for their bodies matter to you? Why not make all substances legal, and just play responsive to crimes committed, like we do with alcohol?


    Also, I'd rather potheads be able to trace the provenance of their weed and buy locally. I'd rather the money spent stay local, and the government be able to tax the sale of marijuana, rather than the money going to Mexican drug cartels and fueling the violence that our southern neighbors experience (and that is increasingly bleeding across our borders).
    They just switched gears to meth and other harsher drugs, as methamphetamine seizures at the border have quintupled since the legalization of pot in Colorado. So, legalizing has had the exact opposite effect as claimed. The money is still going to the cartels, but they are trafficking way harsher drugs, which, as you admit, are far worse for a person and society. So, legalization has backfired, and terribly so.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      I wasn't offended; I was merely offering a corrective to your broad brush. There are those of just about every ideological stripe who would be willing to use federal powers as a means to justify their ends.
      Correction accepted (though not needed from my perspective); my reminder to some so-called conservatives that they should be more aware and supportive of states' rights is meant to appeal to partisans that should be naturally amenable to respecting the rights of states. I expect Democrats to quickly embrace federal power as a means to their ends, but not 'true' conservatives. Specifically, this thread is about whether or not Sessions will respect states' rights in this question or impose federal authority contrary to those states. The other thread where I've made this same facetious remark is about whether or not the federal government can or should impose concealed carry reciprocity on states.
      אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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      • #33
        Originally posted by robrecht View Post
        Correction accepted (though not needed from my perspective); my reminder to some so-called conservatives that they should be more aware and supportive of states' rights is meant to appeal to partisans that should be naturally amenable to respecting the rights of states.
        If you'd been more accurate in your initial argument, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Is it too much to ask for you to not inaccurately broad-brush when you deliver your reminders?

        Specifically, this thread is about whether or not Sessions will respect states' rights in this question or impose federal authority contrary to those states.
        Irrespective of states' rights, Sessions' job is to enforce the laws as written. Immigration in particular is a mess because this is so often not done. Federal law should be adjusted by the legislative branch, not by partisan-driven selective enforcement.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          If you'd been more accurate in your initial argument, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Is it too much to ask for you to not inaccurately broad-brush when you deliver your reminders?
          No, not to much to ask, but I'm relatively new to posting in political discussions so I was just trying to fit in with the manner of most posters here.

          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          Irrespective of states' rights, Sessions' job is to enforce the laws as written. Immigration in particular is a mess because this is so often not done. Federal law should be adjusted by the legislative branch, not by partisan-driven selective enforcement.
          I suspect the administration in general, and Sessions in particular, probably need to exercise a certain degree of judgment in how laws are to be enforced, especially when there are conflicting laws and objectives to be weighed.
          אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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          • #35
            Originally posted by robrecht View Post
            No, not to much to ask, but I'm relatively new to posting in political discussions so I was just trying to fit in with the manner of most posters here.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Adrift View Post
              Seriously. For example, do you think that One Bad Pig seriously intended these recent statements to fairly describe all liberals and progressives?

              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              [Liberals] don't much care how we feel inside as long as we're cowed into doing what they want.
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              My priest observed that progressivism is advanced with religious fervor. I'm not sure if they're willing to change their ways even if it's not working.
              Such statements may be true of some, perhaps even many or most liberals, but they are also true of some conservatives.
              אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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              • #37
                Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                Seriously. For example, do you think that One Bad Pig seriously intended these recent statements to fairly describe all liberals and progressives?




                Such statements may be true of some, perhaps even many or most liberals, but they are also true of some conservatives.
                I don't doubt that blanket accusations are made in this subreddit. I've actually discussed that issue in this subreddit a few times. Posting that the reason you did it is because you are new to political discussions, and was just attempting to fit in is still worthy of an eyeroll. You know that though.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                  I don't doubt that blanket accusations are made in this subreddit. I've actually discussed that issue in this subreddit a few times. Posting that the reason you did it is because you are new to political discussions, and was just attempting to fit in is still worthy of an eyeroll. You know that though.
                  Not a conscious, deliberate rationale, but nonetheless it was indeed the reason.
                  אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                    I don't doubt that blanket accusations are made in this subreddit. I've actually discussed that issue in this subreddit a few times. Posting that the reason you did it is because you are new to political discussions, and was just attempting to fit in is still worthy of an eyeroll. You know that though.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Is a subreddit kinda like a hobbit, only maybe smaller?
                      Uggh. I've been on Reddit too much (which is not good for anyone's mental health). I meant subforum.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                        Uggh. I've been on Reddit too much (which is not good for anyone's mental health). I meant subforum.
                        Oh. I thought that was actual cool terminology I missed out on.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                          Such statements may be true of some, perhaps even many or most liberals, but they are also true of some conservatives.
                          I stand by my statements as broadly accurate. I'm sure that there are liberals who care how others feel inside, but their voices aren't being heard.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            I stand by my statements as broadly accurate. I'm sure that there are liberals who care how others feel inside, but their voices aren't being heard.
                            Just as there are some conservatives who do not care about how their political opponents feel inside.
                            אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                              Just as there are some conservatives who do not care about how their political opponents feel inside.
                              Sure.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                Sure.
                                So do you feel that by and large liberals do not care about the inner feelings of others, whereas conservatives do for the most part? Is it the conservatives whom you feel are touchy-feely group?
                                אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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