Bow-and-arrow killings in Norway seen as an ‘act of terror’

[Roy]

Are you saying that here, where you offered nothing but a statement that you have previously offered something, is an example of the quality of the sort of points you make and are avoided?

You know I'm not.

[Ronson]

We need to do something to keep guns - even toy guns - out of the hands of Leftist Hollywood actors

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/al...ay-2021-10-22/

[rogue06]

We need to do something to keep guns - even toy guns - out of the hands of Leftist Hollywood actors

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/al...ay-2021-10-22/

He's blaming everyone around him for handing him a "hot gun."

Anyone with any familiarity with firearms understands that it is YOUR responsibility to ensure your weapon is not loaded. And only a moron point guns at people and pulls the trigger while goofing around in the first place.

[Ronson]

He's blaming everyone around him for handing him a "hot gun."

Anyone with any familiarity with firearms understands that it is YOUR responsibility to ensure your weapon is not loaded. And only a moron point guns at people and pulls the trigger while goofing around in the first place.

Well, we are talking about Alec Baldwin. He's stupid even by Leftist standards.

[Gondwanaland]

Well, we are talking about Alec Baldwin. He's stupid even by Leftist standards.

Adam Baldwin is the only Baldwin I can stand, and he's not even one of the Baldwin brothers

[Gondwanaland]

He's blaming everyone around him for handing him a "hot gun."

Anyone with any familiarity with firearms understands that it is YOUR responsibility to ensure your weapon is not loaded. And only a moron point guns at people and pulls the trigger while goofing around in the first place.

It's definitely tragic.

Last time I can remember something like this happening was Brandon Lee's deathvin the 90s.

[Sparko]

He's blaming everyone around him for handing him a "hot gun."

Anyone with any familiarity with firearms understands that it is YOUR responsibility to ensure your weapon is not loaded. And only a moron point guns at people and pulls the trigger while goofing around in the first place.

Well since he was using it apparently during a scene, he knew it was "loaded" but it was supposed to be loaded with blanks. The news is now saying it appears to have been loaded with a live round instead. He would have no way of knowing that, since the prop master would have just handed him a gun and he would assume it was loaded with blanks. So the real question is how did a live round end up in a prop gun and was it done on purpose?

[Ronson]

Was it a single round? Two people were hit, one fatally. Unless a single bullet passed through one victim and hit the other, there were two live rounds fired.

Was it during a scene? The two people hit were not actors so why was the gun aimed at them?

Seriously, I wouldn't be at all surprised if hothead Baldwin intentionally shot someone with a live round. He is not all that dissimilar to OJ.

[Sparko]

Was it a single round? Two people were hit, one fatally. Unless a single bullet passed through one victim and hit the other, there were two live rounds fired.

Was it during a scene? The two people hit were not actors so why was the gun aimed at them?

Seriously, I wouldn't be at all surprised if hothead Baldwin intentionally shot someone with a live round. He is not all that dissimilar to OJ.

Its probably something dumb like they were using the gun for target shooting outside and then someone forgot to empty it and put in blanks.

But those are good questions.

[Ronson]

Its probably something dumb like they were using the gun for target shooting outside and then someone forgot to empty it and put in blanks.

That would be incredible. As long as Hollywood studios have been making movies, you'd think they would have devised safe prop guns by now, guns that are incapable of holding and firing live rounds. Bunch of idiots.

[Sparko]

That would be incredible. As long as Hollywood studios have been making movies, you'd think they would have devised safe prop guns by now, guns that are incapable of holding and firing live rounds. Bunch of idiots.

basically a blank is just a round without the bullet. It is loaded into a gun just like a live round. It is up to the safety people on set to make sure that the gun is correctly loaded, that there are no obstructions in the barrel, etc, before the gun is used on the set. They came up with all sorts of safety protocols and regulations after Lee was killed in The Crow. So somebody is going to get in trouble here whether it was an accident or a homocide.

This appears to be a low budget "indie" film, so no telling how lax they were.


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[Ronson]

basically a blank is just a round without the bullet. It is loaded into a gun just like a live round. It is up to the safety people on set to make sure that the gun is correctly loaded, that there are no obstructions in the barrel, etc, before the gun is used on the set. They came up with all sorts of safety protocols and regulations after Lee was killed in The Crow. So somebody is going to get in trouble here whether it was an accident or a homocide.

This appears to be a low budget "indie" film, so no telling how lax they were.


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And therein lies the problem. Hollywood spends millions upon millions of dollars for nearly every movie it produces, but it can't hire someone to invent a prop gun that is incapable of firing live rounds? Are they being cheap or incompetent? I could probably have a prototype made for them in about a month using my own money.

[Sparko]

And therein lies the problem. Hollywood spends millions upon millions of dollars for nearly every movie it produces, but it can't hire someone to invent a prop gun that is incapable of firing live rounds? Are they being cheap or incompetent? I could probably have a prototype made for them in about a month using my own money.

1. they want to use authentic guns for realism. So they would have to make up "prop" models of all sorts of guns, it is easier to use real guns and blanks.
2. they want the muzzle flash, recoil, etc to happen for realism. So they can't do something like block the barrel, or modify the gun to not accept a round if it has a bullet in it.

[Ronson]

1. they want to use authentic guns for realism. So they would have to make up "prop" models of all sorts of guns, it is easier to use real guns and blanks.

"Easier" = cheap and lazy, in this case. The Hollywood Left is all about preaching regulations, but they sure are lax when it comes to what they practice.

2. they want the muzzle flash, recoil, etc to happen for realism. So they can't do something like block the barrel, or modify the gun to not accept a round if it has a bullet in it.

That can be accomplished. All one need do is make the chamber and barrel just slightly smaller, so it cannot hold any common caliber bullets. Then manufacture special blanks for that gun. You still get the muzzle flash, the kick, the weight, all the realism they require.

[rogue06]

"Easier" = cheap and lazy, in this case. The Hollywood Left is all about preaching regulations, but they sure are lax when it comes to what they practice.



That can be accomplished. All one need do is make the chamber and barrel just slightly smaller, so it cannot hold any common caliber bullets. Then manufacture special blanks for that gun. You still get the muzzle flash, the kick, the weight, all the realism they require.

I've seen some prop guns in movies before. Often in cheap movies/shows wanting to have automatic weapon fire. The muzzle will "flash" twice for what was supposed to be about a dozen rounds, and occasionally the last flash will take place just after the sound of the last shot.