"Git a Rope" is Racist?

[simplicio]

That's not, like, a defense of the rest of the OP. Leaving nooses with warning signs is the meat of the debate and I've said my piece as it relates already. Simplico conflated your amusing opener with the meat of the thread is all.

I remember thinking that commercial was really funny as a kid, but I was 7 in 92, so like, what do I know? But looking back on it now I can see each piece and how it works together.

The opening gave two examples, an innocuous example with humor, contrasted with a real life example in which someone found offense. The argument is that the noose is not offensive because it has other connotations. If one skims through the thread, anecdotes are given in which a potentially offensive remark is shown that it can be innocuous. So I asked what is seen to be offensive or racist. I should have asked what makes something racist.

Two guys see a noose and it reminds them of lynch mobs. Therefore, the sky is falling.

"what else would our stupid culture think of?"

"classic example of too much "racism" on the mind"

"Everything is offensive to someone these days. America is now in the age of the crybaby."

"what do you expect in a culture that coddles those who are so determined to be offended? "

Is the meat of the thread the whether the noose in question was meant to be racist, or is the meat of the thread why some might see a remark, image, or meme is seen as offensive? (whether implicitly or overtly offensive) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0

[Jaecp]

Not going to throw ME under the bus this time, eh? I'm not feelin' the love.

Your threads, while still complaining about modern society, consistently have an OP worth discussing which leads to interesting first page discussions often times.

Seers threads are, if we're lucky, 1-2 sentences from him, a link, and maybe a quote from the link with some sort of super sensationalized title and there are usually a bunch more simple "oh no, Jesus come soon" and "what are these libtards thinking" or whatever. As such, he'll have an easier time seeing examples on the first page of seers threads, rather than yours, even if the difference between your threads lay, many times, solely in the execution. His are terrible because he doesn't know how to argue, literally needed mods to intervene and suggest "hey, maybe have thread titles that make a lick of sense" and he is repetitive. You check out of a discussion way too easily and for reasons that aren't always apparent, but I'm not going to pretend that your OP's are like Seers.

[Jaecp]

The opening gave two examples, an innocuous example with humor, contrasted with a real life example in which someone found offense. The argument is that the noose is not offensive because it has other connotations. If one skims through the thread, anecdotes are given in which a potentially offensive remark is shown that it can be innocuous. So I asked what is seen to be offensive or racist. I should have asked what makes something racist.

Two guys see a noose and it reminds them of lynch mobs. Therefore, the sky is falling.

"what else would our stupid culture think of?"

"classic example of too much "racism" on the mind"

"Everything is offensive to someone these days. America is now in the age of the crybaby."

"what do you expect in a culture that coddles those who are so determined to be offended? "

Is the meat of the thread the whether the noose in question was meant to be racist, or is the meat of the thread why some might see a remark, image, or meme is seen as offensive? (whether implicitly or overtly offensive) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug75diEyiA0

I was under the impression that the meat of the thread was explaining to the white conservative posters why a bunch of nooses hung on a tree with a vague warning sign might freak out black people ;)

[Cow Poke]

Your threads, while still complaining about modern society, consistently have an OP worth discussing which leads to interesting first page discussions often times.

So like when you post it's 'discussing' and like when conservatives post it's 'complaining'. This thread actually asked a question, cause I was curious.

From the OP....

Does anybody here really think of "Git a Rope" implying the lynching of blacks?

Inquiring minds gotta know!

[One Bad Pig]

All of those quotations were histrionic reactions to a mundane event.

No. Although calling them histrionic might be itself histrionic.

[Psychic Missile]

It is you, and your ilk, who are so easily offended.

I'm offended by injustice and a lack of basic empathy. You should be too.

[Psychic Missile]

I was under the impression that the meat of the thread was explaining to the white conservative posters why a bunch of nooses hung on a tree with a vague warning sign might freak out black people ;)

There's nothing wrong with seeing a noose and thinking of frontier justice in the Wild West. There's nothing wrong with seeing a noose and thinking of lynch mobs. There is something wrong with insisting that one cultural reference, and hence that culture, is superior to other cultural references/cultures. When two people misunderstand each other's intentions, the goal should be to make peace, not war.

[Psychic Missile]

No. Although calling them histrionic might be itself histrionic.

You really think some people not associating a noose with the Wild West is indicative of some wider social problem? Not to mention that those problems given in those examples are nonexistent, so this is doubly silly.

[Cow Poke]

There's nothing wrong with seeing a noose and thinking of frontier justice in the Wild West. There's nothing wrong with seeing a noose and thinking of lynch mobs. There is something wrong with insisting that one cultural reference, and hence that culture, is superior to other cultural references/cultures. When two people misunderstand each other's intentions, the goal should be to make peace, not war.

Well, gee, maybe the 'observer' shouldn't just jump to the worst possible conclusion, and consider the possibility that the object isn't necessarily a symbol of hate --- you know, don't jump to freakin' conclusions, cause the goal should be to give the benefit of the doubt, not war.

[One Bad Pig]

You really think some people not associating a noose with the Wild West is indicative of some wider social problem?

What? No.

Not to mention that those problems given in those examples are nonexistent, so this is doubly silly.

Your opinion is duly noted.

[Psychic Missile]

Well, gee, maybe the 'observer' shouldn't just jump to the worst possible conclusion, and consider the possibility that the object isn't necessarily a symbol of hate --- you know, don't jump to freakin' conclusions, cause the goal should be to give the benefit of the doubt, not war.

You still don't understand. It's not "the worst possible conclusion". It's the default, reasonable conclusion. What do you expect, offended motorists to pull over and ring the property owner's bell to ask for an explanation?

[Psychic Missile]

What? No.

They why don't you consider those quotations overreactions?

[Leonhard]

Is it commonly believed in your country that New Yorkers are predominantly black?

Sorry for the delay in response. I got myself locked out of tweb because of my fancy new password manager.

At any rate no, I'm just trying to reverse engineer how someone could find it racist.

[Cow Poke]

Sorry for the delay in response. I got myself locked out of tweb because of my fancy new password manager.

Don't you love it when technology "helps" you?

At any rate no, I'm just trying to reverse engineer how someone could find it racist.

OK.... I was just wondering, cause for the longest time I thought of New Yorkers as being... well, I didn't make the distinction between NY City and the whole rest of the state. I have never been to NYC, and don't really care to, but I have been in NY State, and much of it is absolutely beautiful.

[Cow Poke]

You still don't understand. It's not "the worst possible conclusion". It's the default, reasonable conclusion.

You still don't understand. That's idiotic. It may be the 'reasonable conclusion' to some people, and pinko commie liberals COULD help educate them, or they could try to keep them in fear.

What do you expect, offended motorists to pull over and ring the property owner's bell to ask for an explanation?

What a dope. No, I expect them to say, "hmm... that's odd" and keep on driving. The INTENT of the property owner was to keep thieves away. He obviously isn't chasing anybody down the highway waving a noose at them.