Okay, JimL, I think I have a pretty good handle on your position now. I don't really feel like arguing over your points. I'll take them into consideration if the situation arises.
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostDo you believe that 1) controlling the cost of healthcare is essential for reform? 2) Do you believe that outrageous tort settlements add significant costs to the system?
Look up malpractice premiums for obstetricians in the Chicago area, e.g.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf it is malpractice, and people are injured as a result, then those people have every right to sue for damages. Do you disagree? I know of a case in my home town where the patient had to have his leg amputated, the surgery went fine, but the patient woke from the surgery only to find to his horror that the wrong leg had been amputated. These cases, whether they are legit or not are determined by the court. What kind of reform did you have in mind?
It's difficult to find an obstetrician in Cook County, Illinois. The average malpractice annual premium is $138,484.
Would you like the taxpayers to pick up that cost when single-payer becomes law?
You DO understand the role of cost control in health care reform, do you not?
http://www.cunninghamgroupins.com/hi...ates/illinois/
(*) And act all sanctimonious about it!
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWell good thing it isn't any of that.
It just doesn't mesh well with the left's desire for a single payer government run system. They have sufficiently screwed the VA system. What on God's green earth makes you think they would do better with everyone's healthcare?
But they lost homes, transportation, had to declare bankruptcy, and a host of other detrimental effects. You'd INTENTIONALLY create a million more of that?
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Originally posted by klaus54 View PostThere should be a cap on settlements, as well as stricter rules on tort liars (oops, lawyers) who suck money out of the system and get filthy rich. (*)
It's difficult to find an obstetrician in Cook County, Illinois. The average malpractice annual premium is $138,484.
Would you like the taxpayers to pick up that cost when single-payer becomes law?
You DO understand the role of cost control in health care reform, do you not?
http://www.cunninghamgroupins.com/hi...ates/illinois/
(*) And act all sanctimonious about it!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell actually yes it is that, the insurance industry is supposed to be about insuring ones ability to recieve good health care,
but in reality their main concern is profits.
To that end they are corrupt in their practice.
Who has sufficiently screwed the V.A. system?
Remember who is responsible for funding the V.A.,
and who sends our ill equiped military
into unnecessary wars bringing so many wounded back home in need of so much care.
The V.A. is a mess because it is overburdened and underfunded
and the only reason that it is underfunded is because those in congress who are backed by the plutocrats don't want their backers tax dollars to have to pay for it. So, the government won't do any better with everyones health care so long as these schmucks are in left power.
Yeah, of course we lost a lot due to the unregulated and corrupt nature of Wall Street and our Congress.
The Obama Administration tried to ameliorate that situation only to be stifled by the republicans in Congress.
Now why in the world do you think that Congress, after seeing what an unregulated Wall Street was capable of doing to the world economy would want to allow that situation to continue? Could it be that Wall Street pulls their strings? Ya think!That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View Posteliminating the middleman, i.e the insurance industry,.Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostAnd put over a million people out of work...
Middlemen are nothing but a bunch of sponging pencil-pushing parasites who need to get their fat butts out from behind their desks in their air conditioned offices, and get out on the floor and help with the work.....i.e., to quote the notorious Cow Poke "Get a Job"
(somebody can show them the vending machine where they can enter their worker's code to get some work gloves)To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by jordanriver View Postwhat work?
Middlemen are nothing but a bunch of sponging pencil-pushing parasites who need to get their fat butts out from behind their desks in their air conditioned offices, and get out on the floor and help with the work.....i.e., to quote the notorious Cow Poke "Get a Job"
(somebody can show them the vending machine where they can enter their worker's code to get some work gloves)That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostMy sister works for Anthem in one of those "parasite" positions. You obviously have no clue what they do or what value they offer to us. And since when does one need "work gloves" to be considered real workers? Boy, you get weirder and weirder...
so what.
My mother and father worked for American National Insurance out of Galveston before we left Texas.
But my opinion stays.
This whole money system is flawed and evil.
*MONEY* is the root of evil.To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by jordanriver View Postyeah yeah
so what.
My mother and father worked for American National Insurance out of Galveston before we left Texas.
But my opinion stays.
This whole money system is flawed and evil.
*MONEY* is the root of evil.
1 Timothy 6:9-11New International Version (NIV)
9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
There is a difference between money, and a love of money.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
1 Timothy 6:9-11New International Version (NIV)
9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
There is a difference between money, and a love of money.
otherwise, if love of money came before money existed, Timothy would have said, "love of money is the root of all evil, ....votever dot mins"To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by jordanriver View Postmoney is the root of the love of money.
otherwise, if love of money came before money existed, Timothy would have said, "love of money is the root of all evil, ....votever dot mins"
Look, if "money" didn't exist you would have the same root cause, namely greed, behind all that evil. Money is just one of the more visible ways in which it is shown.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
Look, if "money" didn't exist you would have the same root cause, namely greed, behind all that evil. Money is just one of the more visible ways in which it is shown.To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostNo it isn't. It's about insuring one's ability to pay for their doctor's visits. Insurance companies have very little todo with the overall quality of care being provided by doctors.
As is EVERY private business.
No they aren't.
The Government. Processes are awful, care is substandard, and waiting times are unreasonable.
It isn't a funding issue per se. It's the fact that government paid doctors can't make a comparable amount as a private practice can.
Our military is by far the best equipped military in the world. No one else is even close.
And if they were capable of managing their way out of a paper bag, they'd be much better. But they are government employees with very little incentive to perform well and very little risk of losing their jobs.
That's only part of the problem. The VA is a mess because it is mismanaged.
Riiight...
Thanks to Barney Frank and Bill Clinton
Because Obama's ideas were stupid and short sighted.
Your tinfoil hat is slipping...
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Originally posted by jordanriver View Postyeah yeah
so what.
My mother and father worked for American National Insurance out of Galveston before we left Texas.
But my opinion stays.
This whole money system is flawed and evil.
*MONEY* is the root of evil.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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