It violates God's created order for human sexuality. It is a sin, if not repented of, that is worthy judgement - possible eternal separation from God. Does this firmly held belief make me a bigot? Homophobic? If so why?
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Homosexuality Is Immoral.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt violates God's created order for human sexuality. It is a sin, if not repented of, that is worthy judgement - possible eternal separation from God. Does this firmly held belief make me a bigot? Homophobic? If so why?
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostSince a bigot is someone who is intolerant or hateful towards a group of people, and I presume you treat gay people with respect, I don't see why its bigoted. And if you don't show prejudice, or negative stereotypes, or perpetuate false information about gay people, I don't see why you should be called homophobic.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWon't the very fact that I hold their behavior to be immoral on religious beliefs qualify me as a bigot - at least? And yes, over the years I have had a number of gay friends and relatives. I have always treated them with kindness and respect.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostTo me it would only depend on whether you treated them differently. Mind you I do think there are some real issues with bigotry against gay people in Christian communities seer. I've heard of parents disowning their children etc... nasty stuff. And there's some bad myths being perpetuated uncritically. Stuff like that I'll call bigotry and homophobic without hesitation. In as much as you don't participate in that stuff, you're neither.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt is funny, I have been a Christian for 26 years and have attended some pretty fundamentalist Churches but never really heard that kind of bigotry - besides the standard sin stuff. But in a sense, since I do not believe a culture should embrace this behavior, I have been against Gay Marriage for instance - which would be treating them differently in law.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostI do know a gay couple (errr well they were a couple, recently split up) where the one's father has completely disowned him. So it does happen. (his father is a regte Afrikaaner attending the NG Kerk which if you know about it, explains a lot)Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostWhy is this in Civics?I am Punkinhead.
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Originally posted by ke7ejx View PostI don't know, but I wonder the same thing. This seems more of an apologetics thing to me...Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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I think homosexual actions are immoral. However I know many people who are "gay" that are celibate and I do not consider that immoral nor do I consider that they identify as gay immoral especially since they practice celibacy and avoid sexual immorality. However, since we are on it. There are all kinds of sexual immorality and I believe each sexual sin is the same as the other and no two are different. If as Christians we accuse homosexuals of being outside of the fullness of grace then neither is it acceptable to have sex outside of marriage, extra marital affairs and those who do are also outside the fullness of grace and cannot be classified as "orthodox" Christians as long as they are living in sin. Ok off my soap box.A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
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Originally posted by hogheadWell, there sure must be a lot of unorthodox Christians out there, because studies show many Christians, if not the vast majority, have participated in the sexual practices you condemn. So much for the failure of orthodoxy to come to grips with the realities of human sexuality.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by hogheadIn theology, "orthodox" also means conventional or traditional. I know that much conventional religious teaching on sex was in fact homophobic and repressive.That's what
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Originally posted by hogheadWhat do you take to be "God's created order for human sexuality"? If your argument is that God created sexuality purely for the purposes of human reproduction, you are sadly mistaken. Among humans and other species, sexuality serves a many purposes other than mere reproduction. Among humans, the amount of sexual arousal we are naturally inclined to experience, as well as the amount of sperm produced by use males, far exceeds the amount necessary for reproduction. This is also true of other species. That, and that alone, is a powerful natural revelation that sex serves purposes other than mere reproduction.
If you are trying to argue you aren't homophobic, forget it. You probably are. We all are. We have all been raised in a very sexually oppressive and repressive, homophobic society.
Citing Scripture is no simple answer. We all know that the Bible prohibits homosexuality. However, the problem is that the biblical laws prohibit and also permit quite a number of things we do not and with good reason. One example would be the dietary laws. Another example is the sanctification of slavery, as can be found in Exod. 21. So why do you make homosexuality such an exception?
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Originally posted by hogheadIn theology, "orthodox" also means conventional or traditional. I know that much conventional religious teaching on sex was in fact homophobic and repressive.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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