Originally posted by Kelp(p)
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The confusion arises over exactly where in all this the magic is inserted. Seer thinks the magic produces the end product (our universe) ex nihilo, whereas Shuny thinks the magic lies somewhere in the conditions that gave rise to our particular big bang. And of course, some of us are under the impression that insufficient information is NOT "evidence" of a designer or creator or other sort-of-human entity. That indeed, such entities are the wages of pride, the inability to admit ignorance.
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