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Yeah, I thought that was interesting too, in fact, the reason I posted this story with the quotation of God speaking to Abraham in Genesis. I can't speak for Consolmagno, of course, but one way of understanding this is the typical apophatic theological view that God cannot be defined by the human intellect or speech because he exceeds everything we can know by an infinite degree. Maybe something like that. Not a denial of absolute truth, per se, but rather an affirmation of just how absolute truth really is.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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As the Non-Existent One implies one has to be cautious of "absolute truth" from a human (finite) perspective.
Then again, there are a whole lot of things I don't understand.
E.g., the fideism of YEC or radical Islam.
K54
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostGuy Consolmagno, Coordinator for Public Relations at the Vatican Observatory, told a news outlet last week that the literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account is ‘almost blasphemous theology. It’s certainly not the tradition of Catholicism and never has been and it misunderstands what the Bible is and it misunderstands what science is.'
The papal astronomer said he rejects the literal interpretation of Genesis and instead finds truth through “science.”
“Science is a way of getting close to creation, to really getting intimate with creation, and it’s a way of getting intimate with the creator,” he claimed. “It’s an act of worship.”
“The search for literalism, the search for absolute truth, isn’t what science is about and it’s not what religion is about.”
http://christiannews.net/2014/10/20/...t-blasphemous/
What I would do, if I were Jorge, is understand this simple point. From that perspective, I'd read Genesis* as symbolically telling us how great the creation is, then look though a telescope and remark "Ain't it bludy amazing".
Jorge does not have to become an atheist like me, and enjoy a BBQd baby each night. He can still appreciate Genesis, understand science, and maintain his dignity. There is hope yet. Never give up on a sinner like Jorge, I say.
* The Shakespearian version of Genesis that is, namely the KJV.Last edited by rwatts; 10-21-2014, 02:34 AM.
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostGuy Consolmagno, Coordinator for Public Relations at the Vatican Observatory, told a news outlet last week that the literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account is ‘almost blasphemous theology. It’s certainly not the tradition of Catholicism and never has been and it misunderstands what the Bible is and it misunderstands what science is.'
The papal astronomer said he rejects the literal interpretation of Genesis and instead finds truth through “science.”
“Science is a way of getting close to creation, to really getting intimate with creation, and it’s a way of getting intimate with the creator,” he claimed. “It’s an act of worship.”
“The search for literalism, the search for absolute truth, isn’t what science is about and it’s not what religion is about.”
http://christiannews.net/2014/10/20/...t-blasphemous/
The statement by this guy, Guy, is as sophomoric as it is misleading.
Unworthy of comment but it WILL do great harm since so many
people regard as "Gospel" anything spoken by the "Holy RCC".
Oh well ...
Jorge
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Originally posted by Jorge View PostYet another RCC M-O-R-O-N - the RCC seems to have an endless supply!
The statement by this guy, Guy, is as sophomoric as it is misleading.
Unworthy of comment but it WILL do great harm since so many
people regard as "Gospel" anything spoken by the "Holy RCC".
Oh well ...
Jorge
ETA: Please refrain from abusive language in this thread.Last edited by robrecht; 10-21-2014, 04:17 PM.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by rwatts View PostThe ancients who wrote Genesis lived in a pre-scientific culture, and so, in that sense, Genesis is bunk.
What I would do, if I were Jorge, is understand this simple point. From that perspective, I'd read Genesis* as symbolically telling us how great the creation is, then look though a telescope and remark "Ain't it bludy amazing".
Jorge does not have to become an atheist like me, and enjoy a BBQd baby each night. He can still appreciate Genesis, understand science, and maintain his dignity. There is hope yet. Never give up on a sinner like Jorge, I say.
* The Shakespearian version of Genesis that is, namely the KJV.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostSuch as math?
It's a whole a different type of reasoning than vague ANE creation stories that are force fit by "Biblical Scientific Creationists" into a modern understanding of creation (nature).
Falling in love is a good example as well.
K54
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostMost truths are relative:
She's pretty.
He's smart.
They're a good couple.
I love my job.
And the rest are relatively useless.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostUseless in what way, exactly? Technologically useless, I'd probably go along with that for the most part. But belief in absolute truth(s) is for some people very inspiring, eg, of good moral character and behavior. Note, I am saying it is necessary for such.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd it is only "technologically useless" because it was never intended to be a scientific discourse or read as a science textbook. It (the Genesis creation account) is concerned with conveying theological truthsאָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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