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I saw an expedition to western Alaska I think it was. What a huge undertaking. All to drill down the ice to take the temperature of the water beneath it. I was wanting to route for the people going through such extreme conditions, but just couldn't. To me it was all so pointless.
No matter what humans do or don't do, there is no way imo that it can ever stop global warming/climate change. We can all do something as individuals and as communities and countries for the environment, but nothing we do or do not do will help or hinder climate change as a whole. As if we can somehow stop earthquakes, wildfires, tornadoes, flooding etc etc.
Worshipping at the shrine of climate change is becoming the new religion.
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Originally posted by Esther View PostI saw an expedition to western Alaska I think it was. What a huge undertaking. All to drill down the ice to take the temperature of the water beneath it. I was wanting to route for the people going through such extreme conditions, but just couldn't. To me it was all so pointless.
No matter what humans do or don't do, there is no way imo that it can ever stop global warming/climate change. We can all do something as individuals and as communities and countries for the environment, but nothing we do or do not do will help or hinder climate change as a whole. As if we can somehow stop earthquakes, wildfires, tornadoes, flooding etc etc.
Worshipping at the shrine of climate change is becoming the new religion.
Though our efforts to reduce pollution and Co2 emissions are not without potential fruit. These changes will benefit future generation to reduce the degradation of the environment of the earth. The elimination of plastics will go along way to reduce our negative influence on the environment in future generations.Last edited by shunyadragon; 02-03-2020, 07:50 PM.
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Originally posted by Esther View PostI saw an expedition to western Alaska I think it was. What a huge undertaking. All to drill down the ice to take the temperature of the water beneath it. I was wanting to route for the people going through such extreme conditions, but just couldn't. To me it was all so pointless.
No matter what humans do or don't do, there is no way imo that it can ever stop global warming/climate change. We can all do something as individuals and as communities and countries for the environment, but nothing we do or do not do will help or hinder climate change as a whole. As if we can somehow stop earthquakes, wildfires, tornadoes, flooding etc etc.
Worshipping at the shrine of climate change is becoming the new religion.
If science were made into a religion, as religions go, it's gotta be better than most of the alternatives. Their prophets have a much better track record for accurate predictions. Just today, I flicked a light switch and a biblical prophecy was fulfilled.
"And there was light."
The fact is there's considerable correlation between religious belief and climate science, but it runs the other way. And it's the same religious pushback from the same corner that condemned Galileo at one time, and still condemns Darwin. It's within your power to do stop that, or at the very least, to do less of it.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostGlobal warming is being driven by increased CO2 concentrations, themselves stemming from human activity. It's within our power to do more of this. And conversely, it's within our power to stop that. Even if we don't stop it, it remains within our power to mitigate the harm by doing less of what's driving it or by finding alternatives.
I'm thinking that may come as a shock to your fellow adherents engaging in climate science. Have you considered calling them out as heretics, or just not yet? What's more interesting to me is how religious adherents make pariahs of their best scientists.
If science were made into a religion, as religions go, it's gotta be better than most of the alternatives. Their prophets have a much better track record for accurate predictions. Just today, I flicked a light switch and a biblical prophecy was fulfilled.
"And there was light."
The fact is there's considerable correlation between religious belief and climate science, but it runs the other way. And it's the same religious pushback from the same corner that condemned Galileo at one time, and still condemns Darwin. It's within your power to do stop that, or at the very least, to do less of it.
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It is not a scam. Climate change is occuring. We have no power to stop it. In any way. To stop the natural disasters like wild fires, earthquakes, tornadoes and floods. We can address our environments individually (re-cycle our waste etc) and as communities and countries but we cannot stop the tide.
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Originally posted by Esther View PostClimate change is occuring. We have no power to stop it."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Seeker View PostWhat's the definitive argument against those conspirationists who think global warming is a scam? Do you happen to know?
But that doesn't seem to be true. Funding for climate science has been largely flat for decades, even as acceptance of the evidence has risen. It has remained the same whether the administration accepted the evidence or didn't. And, in countries that are doing things about climate change, the money flows to engineers, utility companies, etc. that actually can do something about climate change, rather than the people who describe its trajectory.
At that point, people start resorting to things like the claim that scientists are getting invited to better conferences or something equally silly. Whether they'll be self-conscious enough to recognize they're being silly is a separate question."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostThe second statement is only true if we are not responsible for driving climate change. But the evidence clearly indicates we are.
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Originally posted by Esther View PostIf we are responsible it does not necessarily mean we can do anything about it. Could be that the horse has bolted. Do you think we can stop the natural disasters? Surely not?
Natural disasters will always occur - you're correct that we won't stop them. But, for the ones that are sensitive to the climate, we can affect their trajectory."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Esther View PostIt is not a scam. Climate change is occuring. We have no power to stop it. In any way. To stop the natural disasters like wild fires, earthquakes, tornadoes and floods. We can address our environments individually (re-cycle our waste etc) and as communities and countries but we cannot stop the tide.
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostAs far as i understand it, the "scam" argument assumes that the scientists who have developed the evidence for climate change benefit from the fact that said evidence is accepted.
But that doesn't seem to be true. Funding for climate science has been largely flat for decades, even as acceptance of the evidence has risen. It has remained the same whether the administration accepted the evidence or didn't. And, in countries that are doing things about climate change, the money flows to engineers, utility companies, etc. that actually can do something about climate change, rather than the people who describe its trajectory.
At that point, people start resorting to things like the claim that scientists are getting invited to better conferences or something equally silly. Whether they'll be self-conscious enough to recognize they're being silly is a separate question."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostNo, that's a supporting point, but not the argument. The argument centers on the alarmism being wielded to shift political power.
I wasn't aware that scientists attempted to amass political power through alarmism. Maybe you can provide examples?"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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