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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostSince you wouldn't recognize science if it walked up and bit you, why bother? We both know you're just trolling anyway - evidently you're too dumb to distinguish the political argument.
I will just continue to cite peer reviewed research articles on climate change while you resort to personal attacks and cite nothing in support of your assertions,Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-21-2019, 08:42 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostA perfect reflection of Teallaura.
I will just continue to cite peer reviewed research articles on climate change while you resort to personal attacks and cite nothing in support of your assertions,
I truly don't know or care why you decided to hate me - and it frankly doesn't matter. But since I know it's just your hatred talking, I can't be bothered to take you seriously.
You're not even irritating enough to put on ignore - you're just a pathetic guy I trade barbs with when bored."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYou're absolutely right Cow Poke ...
... though per capita its the US.
And that's not right, either.
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Per capita differentiates between developed and developing countries, principally, when we're using "developing" as a euphemism. When we're using "developing" descriptively, China, now, (and India, soon) is on par in emissions with major developing countries.
Not on par with the US, though.
Saudi tops the list because of its refineries. I've discussed that.
I agree though that China needs to step up.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYou never cite anything - you just post one part, say you're going to post more, never do and pout for the rest of the thread - oh, and declare you're waiting for something superfluous.
I truly don't know or care why you decided to hate me - and it frankly doesn't matter. But since I know it's just your hatred talking, I can't be bothered to take you seriously.
You're not even irritating enough to put on ignore - you're just a pathetic guy I trade barbs with when bored.
Being put on ignore would be a welcome blessing. I believe oxmixmudd agrees! As with others your acrid personal attacks are neither meaningful nor productive Your neglecting the thread http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...te-change-2019 where I do post the peer reviewed science, and articles that refer to peer reviewed research on Global Warming. This thread is more a trash talk thread, with little in the way of science and constructive dialogue. Also, in previous threads Other Twebers and I have posted many peer reviewed articles and relevant research. You have cited nothing in response.Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-22-2019, 08:38 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI do not hate you,
nor have I resorted to the consistent acrid persistent personal attacks that are your modus operendi.
Being put on ignore would be a welcome blessing.
I believe oxmixmudd agrees!
As with others your acrid personal attacks are neither meaningful nor productive
Your neglecting
the thread http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...te-change-2019 where I do post the peer reviewed science, and articles that refer to peer reviewed research on Global Warming.
in the OP you would be posting it? And you squabbled over nitpicks rather than debate the substance like you usually do?
This thread is more a trash talk thread, with little in the way of science and constructive dialogue. Also, in previous threads Other Twebers and I have posted many peer reviewed articles and relevant research. You have cited nothing in response.
You're (you are) welcome!"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostCanada used to produce more CO2 than West Germany, and also more than East Germany. But after reunification, Germany produced more CO2 than Canada. Does that mean Germany became a worse polluter than Canada overnight?
The US produces more CO2 than the EU - but if California seceded, it wouldn't. Would Californian secession somehow make both California and the rest of the US better than the EU regarding emissions?
If splitting a country in two is just dividing responsibility, then joining two countries is just combining responsibility.
This use of per capita is a political issue then - now it makes sense.
And it introduces the problem of chasing the hole rather than the rabbit. The goal is reduction of overall volume - not per capita production.It's a bit of political chicanery to focus attention away from the actual problem, overall volume, to the 'bad guys'.
*Technically you can do this by reducing the population, but I can't see that happening before pollution becomes a much bigger problem, and then it'll be invol.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI do not hate you....
It was, in fact, supposedly made more horrific due to your current condition - whatever that may be - "senior issues"? Since I'm unaware of what that "condition" may be, that was a steaming pile of poo as well.
I often disagree with you, but I have never thought of you as a moron, or anything close.
I wish you the very best.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOn that note, Shuny, I have elsewhere on this board been accused of calling you a moron. Not only did I NEVER call you a moron, I never thought you were one.
It was, in fact, supposedly made more horrific due to your current condition - whatever that may be - "senior issues"? Since I'm unaware of what that "condition" may be, that was a steaming pile of poo as well.
I often disagree with you, but I have never thought of you as a moron, or anything close.
I wish you the very best.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe "senior issues" are a myth, and an unfortunate slanderous accusations without merit with an unfortunate agenda, which I fully previously explained.
I just finished a rather grueling field work assignment with 2020 census, and promoted to supervisory Quality Control after three months. Some younger employees could not complete the assignment.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThey aren't producing more pollution. They're producing exactly the same amount of pollution, you're just counting it differently.
Originally posted by meAll that does is divide responsibility - the pollution is the same.You've just contradicted yourself.
If splitting a country in two is just dividing responsibility, then joining two countries is just combining responsibility.
It's not a political issue. Its a means of removing the effect of disparity in size in order to make useful and meaningful comparisons.
Same thing. You can't reduce the overall volume without also reducing the per capita production both locally and globally.*
And if the per capita production is reduced in some areas, the overall volume will also be reduced.
In this case, the chicanery has successfully focused your attention away from the fact that the average American produces twice as much pollution as the average Chinese, and nearly ten times as much as the average Indian.
Which also creates a problem dealing with overall volume politically. The US isn't nearly as likely to pitch a fit as China is - but neither is the American public willing to endlessly be the fall guy.
*Technically you can do this by reducing the population, but I can't see that happening before pollution becomes a much bigger problem, and then it'll be invol."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYeah - no. This makes no sense at all - we did a pretty massive population reduction between the turn of the last century and the late 1950's. The concept seems plausible but the reality didn't cause a major reduction - at least not on any graph I've seen.
emissions = pop * emissions / pop
(emissions / pop = per capita emissions)
To reduce emissions, one of the factors needs to get smaller, pop, or per capita emissions. That's all he's saying.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostLaura ...emissions = pop * emissions / pop
(emissions / pop = per capita emissions)
To reduce emissions, one of the factors needs to get smaller, pop, or per capita emissions. That's all he's saying."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI got that. We lost adult population - a lot of it - in that period but no drop in emissions that shows up on the graphs I've seen (many of them here). Babies aren't big consumers. So either this doesn't work the way it would seem it should (admit it, an 800 year lag would be hysterically funny here - got a time machine? ), we need to kill a lot more people to move those graphs (which is bad for the crisis theory), or you guys are posting the wrong graphs (okay, might not just be you guys, but it's funnier this way ).
I'm not seeing your population decline.
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You're right that it's the total emissions that matter, and we can split up the emissions into emissions per country, too.
emissions = sum (country pop * country per capita emissions)
You can't take the country per capitas out of it, because countries aren't going to sign on to emissions caps that don't account for their population.
The reality is that developing countries, like India and China, independent of their total contributions, are demanding the right to do what we did to get where we are. And to do what we're doing now once they get there.
That includes a per capita consumption much larger than their own.
So our challenge is to find ways to drive down our own per capitas without wrecking the economy or crippling our living standards. That can be done. What we can't do is drive them down without crippling the fossil fuel industry.
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