Turning CO2 into fuel

[Leonhard]

I do remember that some cars after WW-II ran on alchohol powered steam engines. You had to start the car half an hour before you intended to drive it.

[Sparko]

I do remember that some cars after WW-II ran on alchohol powered steam engines. You had to start the car half an hour before you intended to drive it.

This one works on wood gasification. Pretty interesting.


https://www.motherearthnews.com/gree...k-zmaz81mjzraw

[Teallaura]

While that's true, you also told me things that turned out not to quite hold water. When I talked about the wanton destruction of natural habitats in persuit of coal mining, you told me that coal companies were now forced to restore those areas to the state they were in originally.

You failed to mention though, that this only accounts for around 6% of all coal mines, and you also forgot to mention that coal companies are allowed to redesignate what the original state was, changing it to something it wasn't to begin with. Like a storage area for spent diesel equipment as one coal company got away with doing.

And when I asked you about that, you referred back to the one sole example you've given me where a coal company restored a natural reserve back to what it used to be.

So it does seem you believe in being a good steward, but you also seem to turn a blind eye to a lot of things the Republicans support in this area. They want to start coal mining, and fracking, and new oil wells deep inside existing natural reservations. And you want me to believe these companies will be forced to restore it to pristine, original, natural state, and not merely to "grassland"?

Here's the Act.

My guess - assuming your numbers are correct - is that most coal mines aren't surface mines. Underground mines can't be 'restored'.

Show me where this redesignation thing is.

[Teallaura]

This one works on wood gasification. Pretty interesting.


https://www.motherearthnews.com/gree...k-zmaz81mjzraw

Wood gas was also used during WWII.

[Leonhard]

Here's the Act.

My guess - assuming your numbers are correct - is that most coal mines aren't surface mines. Underground mines can't be 'restored'.

Show me where this redesignation thing is.

[Leonhard]

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...plication.html

Sparko, Cow Poke, do you call that proper restoration?

[Sparko]

It might depend on who owns the land. A lot of strip mining is done on private property where the owner sells the mineral rights. The owner probably controls how the land is restored. If they leased out forested land but wanted it cleared, they could probably just tell the mine company to restore it to grassland. Or a shopping mall. This is just a guess, btw.

My grandpa sold the mineral rights to a mountain on his land in Appalachia and when they were done, they restored it back to the way it was originally, albeit with baby trees. Today you can't tell where the mine was.

[Leonhard]

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...784-OH-09.html

[Leonhard]

[Sparko]

I moved your posts to the proper thread. here.

[Leonhard]

It might depend on who owns the land. A lot of strip mining is done on private property where the owner sells the mineral rights. The owner probably controls how the land is restored. If they leased out forested land but wanted it cleared, they could probably just tell the mine company to restore it to grassland. Or a shopping mall. This is just a guess, btw.

My grandpa sold the mineral rights to a mountain on his land in Appalachia and when they were done, they restored it back to the way it was originally, albeit with baby trees. Today you can't tell where the mine was.

[Teallaura]

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...plication.html

Sparko, Cow Poke, do you call that proper restoration?

The waiver requested would allow continued use of the land, rather than abandonment with no reclamation. That's fully consistent with the intent of the law - HOWEVER...

Read the darn application! The waiver is for LESS THAN AN ACRE - the permit area is over 5000 acres!! They just want to keep the loadout (basically the gate/office area) in use, not the whole mine.

[Sparko]

If they are doing that instead of what the land owner wants, then yes. Or if they are doing it on public land. Your earlier example regarding the mining equipment seemed to read to me as if they were doing what the land owner consented and were filing for permission. How is that wrong?

[Teallaura]

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...784-OH-09.html

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[Leonhard]

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