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Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by lee_merrill, quote-mining coproliteWell, then Berkeley is wrong: "It is also in the Silurian that we find the first clear evidence of life on land. While it is possible that plants and animals first moved onto the land in the Ordovician, fossils of terrestrial life from that period are fragmentary and difficult to interpret."
But this isn't a creationist site, it probably reflects one scientific consensus.
They're just making a distinction between trace and partial fossils vs clear and obvious ones - that's obvious if you don't quote-mine their article on the Silurian while ignoring the one on the Ordivician.
That's the fifth or sixth quote-mine you've perpetrated this week.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSo, basically, you want to claim any use of the term "first" means the same as "suddenly" without actually figuring out what the author's intent or the underlying data is.
I note that you failed to answer this:I'm sorry, but does honesty not matter to you?Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNo, they're right:
They're just making a distinction between trace and partial fossils vs clear and obvious ones - that's obvious if you don't quote-mine their article on the Silurian while ignoring the one on the Ordivician.
That's the fifth or sixth quote-mine you've perpetrated this week.
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostBut any of the mutations generated were only selected against a single environmental condition. We don't know if they'd be adaptive in any other conditions.
Sure sounds like multiple environmental conditions here!
Why don't you care what the truth is?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNo, they're right:
They're just making a distinction between trace and partial fossils vs clear and obvious ones - that's obvious if you don't quote-mine their article on the Silurian while ignoring the one on the Ordivician.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThere are. You even cited one:But you ignored that mention of substantial evolution and claimed their appearance was abrupt anyway.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSure sounds like multiple environmental conditions here!
Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI do care, and there are ways to express gradual development.
Nicely demonstrated by your later post.
Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSubstantial evolution could be sudden or gradual, though, so we can look at the context to try and determine what is meant
And then there's you, who couldn't even be bothered to look up the wikipedia entry on the Cambrian, and so made a colossal (30+ million years!) mistake by trying to spin your own interpretation of an ambiguous sentence. In doing so, you make it clear you don't care about facts, and don't care about science."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSubstantial evolution could be sudden or gradual, though, so we can look at the context to try and determine what is meant.
Blessings,
LeeLast edited by shunyadragon; 04-04-2019, 04:23 PM.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, they're being inconsistent, but I don't mind if land colonization occurred in the Ordivician.
Blessings,
LeeLast edited by shunyadragon; 04-04-2019, 04:24 PM.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSubstantial evolution could be sudden or gradual, though, so we can look at the context to try and determine what is meant.
Nor did you bother to look for other more relevant and detailed resources, such as the one I found in about 10 seconds.
People who care about the truth check the facts before writing, and make sure they accurately represent their sources. This thread is littered with examples of you not caring about the truth.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostSure sounds like multiple environmental conditions here!"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThere is no direct observable evidence for sudden evolution without selective 'arguing from ignorance.' ... Yes gaps in the fossil record exist and have always existed, but over time these gaps are filled by new discoveries and research.
Blessings,
LeeLast edited by lee_merrill; 04-05-2019, 05:29 PM."What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostOk, i've thought of another way of going at this. Pick any one mutation identified in that work. How many environmental conditions do we know it's adaptive for?
So mutations (plural) and environments (plural) indicates the principle holds in general, across all environments. Also there is this:
So this it seems is one mutation that is beneficial in ten conditions.
Blessings,
LeeLast edited by lee_merrill; 04-05-2019, 05:37 PM."What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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