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Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-04-2019, 03:32 PM.
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Originally posted by SeekerAre there THREE different concepts of 'information'? One by Spetner, one by Gitt and another by Dembski? In what they differ from one another?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostGitt is a German engineer, and his argument for 'information' is simple and goes directly to theology claiming all 'information' is Created by Jesus Christ.' I may add more concerning his argument, but I do not consider it constructive.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostEven though Gitt, Dempski, and Spetner all had the same view that evolution was either impossible or very very unlikely based on their theory of 'information,' ...Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostIt is falsifiable The Cre/ID ideas about irreducible complexity and information increase are attempts to falsify evolution. There are many other things that could falsify evolution, including a very young earth, an inability to arrange lifeforms into a tree of descent, a genetic structure that didn't mutate, or discovering a bunch of gnomes in an underground network who manufacture eggs then sneak out at night and implant them in nests and ovaries.
That the universe and life arising by wholly natural processes hasn't been falsified doesn't mean that it couldn't be falsified.
My friend from the OP said that irreducibly complexity at least presents itself as a real potential falsificator of Darwin's theory, while ''information increase'' and ''explanatory filter'' (or ''specified complexity'', for that matter) merely flourish their question begging claims. What do you think about that? Do you agree? Do you think IC is somehow superior to the other arguments?
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostSo - most evolutionary development results from picking up additional genes along the way? Inserted perhaps by viruses and such?
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Originally posted by Seeker View PostHi Roy,
My friend from the OP said that irreducibly complexity at least presents itself as a real potential falsificator of Darwin's theory, while ''information increase'' and ''explanatory filter'' (or ''specified complexity'', for that matter) merely flourish their question begging claims. What do you think about that? Do you agree? Do you think IC is somehow superior to the other arguments?
IC was at least defined well enough to test it, even though it wouldn't have ever falsified evolution. However, IC has since, due to Behe's redefinition of it as something related to multiple genetic mutations, become as vague and slippery as the others.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by RoyIt is falsifiable The Cre/ID ideas about irreducible complexity and information increase are attempts to falsify evolution. There are many other things that could falsify evolution, including a very young earth, an inability to arrange lifeforms into a tree of descent, a genetic structure that didn't mutate, or discovering a bunch of gnomes in an underground network who manufacture eggs then sneak out at night and implant them in nests and ovaries.
That the universe and life arising by wholly natural processes hasn't been falsified doesn't mean that it couldn't be falsified.
Is there a falsifiable alternative that is not based on natural origins of our physical existence.Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-21-2019, 09:03 AM.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostHi Seeker,
IC was at least defined well enough to test it, even though it wouldn't have ever falsified evolution. However, IC has since, due to Behe's redefinition of it as something related to multiple genetic mutations, become as vague and slippery as the others.Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-21-2019, 09:00 AM.
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Originally posted by Roy View Post"Many" is correct. Some enzymes are RNA.
Wieland is also wrong about DNA having specified complexity, for the reason given on the first page of this thread: DNA sequences aren't specified anywhere.
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Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Seeker View PostThank you. I will try to notify the error to CMI.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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