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�Alarming� Study Claiming Global Warming Heating Up Oceans Based on Math Error
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThat it passed peer review and got published.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post"Scientists look at the big picture, not today's weather, to see the impact of climate change".
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...arsher-winter/
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThat it passed peer review and got published.
Its really just a demonstration of science working as it should.
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Oh please. The recent fires in California are being called proof of global warming. Every hurricane is called proof. Every heatwave is called proof. Every drought is called proof. But every blizzard or cold spell is just 'weather'
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHere's another thing, Leon.... those who are really promoting AGW in the public theater don't really seem willing to make the personal sacrifices they want to demand of others. It's a legitimate question "ok, you believe this, what are YOU personally doing about it".
With respect to that, I'm personally doing more "green" things myself than the people I personally know who are 'preaching' AGW, and I'm a skeptic!
Which sometimes makes me wonder if global challenges are something the ideologies of US conservatives can really deal with.
At any rate I've slowly begun to understand that you can't look at what goes on in Washington to find out what's going on in the US. A lot of individual states, Texas no less, are doing great things to slowly build up a renewable energy system. Solar panels are being put up, battery production is being increased at an exponential rate, wind turbines are being built where its cost effective. Its looking pretty good.
Though I think we can and should be doing more.
As for politicians they're hypocrites, and I can understand your point, and I can see you've been scandalised by their behaviour. Still I don't think that changes the problem we face, or the need for solutions.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOh please. The recent fires in California are being called proof of global warming. Every hurricane is called proof. Every heatwave is called proof. Every drought is called proof. But every blizzard or cold spell is just 'weather'
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI have never used heatwaves as arguments for global warming. The main evidence for AGW comes from the temperature records.
Don't mistake what journalists and commentators are writing about for what the scientists are writing about.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/...l-13128585.php
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clim...ry?id=56937704
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/2...records-broken
https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...first-west-and
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYes, that happens. Scientists aren't perfect. The peer review process isn't iron proof. I don't know any scientist out there in their right mind who would claim this. An error was pointed out by an independent researcher. Those involved and others verified and the paper was retracted.
Its really just a demonstration of science working as it should.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postit's the politicians and pop-scientists too. Everyone who is in the public eye.
I have no idea what the regular scientists in the background do or say, since they don't make public comments, but you can watch any show on climate on the discovery channel or the science channel and see them interviewing scientists and saying how things like heatwaves, hurricanes and wild fires are proof of AGW, etc.
I would never use a summer, or a winter, especially not a local one, as indicating whether the Earth is getting warmer. I might use an increase over a period of say thirty years, of frequencies in droughts and floods, as indicating the problems we're going to face more of in the future, and as an underscoring of why climate change is a big deal.
I get your point though. The state of science communication is attrocious.
Originally posted by SparkoThis seems to have been an obvious error on the first page of the report.
You just don't get that many citations (a scientists only measure of success), and therefore its hard to get funding for it and there's a culture of shaming studies that are reproductions. They're considered 'lazy'. Whereas I consider them necessary.
Its definitely something we should have more of.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostDo you have any official reports from scientists using weather to support global warming in that sense, using the word 'proof'?
But yeah scientific journals also use heatwaves and weather as EVIDENCE for AGW being true.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/332/6026/220
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostNic Lewis, the discoverer called it a "serious but surely inadvertent error" and even outlines in his paper what sort of bugs in their computer programs likely had caused the error. It does underscore that scientists need to start engaging in more outright reproduction of other findings. Something which I in particular always advocated for while I was in College.
You just don't get that many citations (a scientists only measure of success), and therefore its hard to get funding for it and there's a culture of shaming studies that are reproductions. They're considered 'lazy'. Whereas I consider them necessary.
Its definitely something we should have more of.
Allow me to use this as a springboard to shamelessly plug my cousins doctoral thesis which he defended this year titled "Reproducible Data Analysis in Drug Discovery With Scientific Workflows and the Semantic Web" (click the link for the fulltext). Even though it's mainly about using computers to aid in the discovery of new drugs, and how to make this process more reproducible (hence the title), I'm sure there is something there that's more broadly applicable to science as a whole.
The dissertation is composed of several papers that are smaller in scope, and if anyone is interested in just reading one of the papers instead of the whole dissertation here's (<---) a link to the overview of the dissertation, with links to the included papers if you scroll down.
[/shameless plug]Last edited by JonathanL; 12-06-2018, 12:32 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't know about the word "proof" - that was just me using it in a generic way.
But yeah scientific journals also use heatwaves and weather as EVIDENCE for AGW being true.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/332/6026/220
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOh please. The recent fires in California are being called proof of global warming. Every hurricane is called proof. Every heatwave is called proof. Every drought is called proof. But every blizzard or cold spell is just 'weather'
So, why are you and your supporters hell-bent upon diminishing the importance and concern over global warming given the demonstrable drastic consequences for the planet?
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