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The best and least costly option is to develop unmanned robotic technology for future trips to the moon and Mars. For Mars robotic missions can pave the way and build facilities for future manned trips. Once facilities are built and tested the human trips can be easily undertaken at reduced costs. Over half of the payload weight of missions at present are devoted to human environmental considerations. There is also reduced risk to human life.
Many scientists support this option.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe best and least costly option is to develop unmanned robotic technology for future trips to the moon and Mars. For Mars robotic missions can pave the way and build facilities for future manned trips. Once facilities are built and tested the human trips can be easily undertaken at reduced costs. Over half of the payload weight of missions at present are devoted to human environmental considerations. There is also reduced risk to human life.
Many scientists support this option.
I'm not suggesting in any way that this is not possible - I think the private sector, in competition with each other, has demonstrated some remarkable ingenuity. I'd just love to see it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo argument with your points - I even amen'd this post on purpose ---- I'm just curious to see how the robotics would work to set themselves up to do the necessary work. It seems you'd have to have some machinery built and designed to set up the rest of the machinery necessary to do the actual launch prep and the launch itself.
I'm not suggesting in any way that this is not possible - I think the private sector, in competition with each other, has demonstrated some remarkable ingenuity. I'd just love to see it.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe the current technology of robotics exceeds that which is needed for space missions.
It doesn't really seem to support your notion - with which I agree - that a huge part of the expense and engineering for a manned mission has to do with the size and weight of the humans, along with all the considerations necessary to keep them alive.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Somewhat on topic, the next Mars rover will carry an experiment designed to test obtaining oxygen from the planet's CO2-rich atmosphere (byproduct will be carbon monoxide). The idea is to validate the production of 1/2 of what we'd need to power a rocket engine for a return to earth."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe the current technology of robotics exceeds that which is needed for space missions.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThey can barely build and send a robot that collects rocks. Designing and building and controlling robots that can build shelters and such for humans is a bit off in the future and might be useful for a permanent base. It is cheaper and simpler just to send people there for the foreseeable future of exploration. We have aleady done what we can with the rock collectors. We need boots on the ground.
I'd love to see it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat article seems to do more to argue in favor of manned missions than robotic ones.
It doesn't really seem to support your notion - with which I agree - that a huge part of the expense and engineering for a manned mission has to do with the size and weight of the humans, along with all the considerations necessary to keep them alive.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAny kind of unmanned mission would require a lot of weight too, not to mention infrastructure. If you want to use robots to build shelters you first have to have the robots unload themselves and build some sort of power station for themselves. I don't think solar power would cut it for the amount of power needed to run robots to build a base. seems to me the easiest and cheapest solution is to send men to mars, set up a temporary base camp or stay in the lander, do some experiments, take some video and scoot back to Earth and declare victory.
giphy.gifThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostRobots do great at repetitive tasks. That's why I'm wondering about a robot (it would have to rely on some pretty sophisticated AI) that can actually do "first time" tasks, adapting to the environment, terrain, unexpected complications, etc.
I'd love to see it.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostRobots do great at repetitive tasks. That's why I'm wondering about a robot (it would have to rely on some pretty sophisticated AI) that can actually do "first time" tasks, adapting to the environment, terrain, unexpected complications, etc.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWe've sent several robotic rovers to Mars now, and they've done pretty well (though they haven't done anything as complicated as construction). We could probably use the same principles to do construction, however. It wouldn't be real-time remote control, but folks here could still have quite a bit of control over the process.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWe've sent several robotic rovers to Mars now, and they've done pretty well (though they haven't done anything as complicated as construction). We could probably use the same principles to do construction, however. It wouldn't be real-time remote control, but folks here could still have quite a bit of control over the process.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe robotics has advanced further than you describe, and three D printing. Robotics do perform complicated tasks remotely here on earth and these skills can be transferred to Mars missions. I believe the cost and the risk of sending humans is greater than may believe.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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