Bill Nye The Idiot Guy

[seer]

Fair enough. Why should society deny civil rights under secular laws to the non-hetero minority when the only reason you have is your religious beliefs?

Why are secular laws more correct or valid than religious laws? Why shouldn't we take religious laws into consideration? The Founders certainly did. And you can have secular laws against homosexual behavior.

[HMS_Beagle]

Why are secular laws more correct or valid than religious laws? Why shouldn't we take religious laws into consideration? The Founders certainly did.

In the U.S. we live in a secular society with secular laws. The Constitution was specifically set up to not favor any religion. We are guaranteed freedom of religion but we are also guaranteed freedom from religion if we so choose.

[Sparko]

Fair enough. Why should society deny civil rights under secular laws to the non-hetero minority when the only reason you have is your religious beliefs?

I never said they should.

Why is it when the topic of human sexuality in the non-hetero population comes up all some people can think of it "butt sex"? Do you think hetero people never do anal intercourse? What about oral and manual stimulation and sex toys and all the other variations humans have come up with? Are they all OK for everyone in your book? Do you think non-hetero people are incapable of pair-bonding and sharing the most intimate times while making love to their partner?

You asked. I answered. My answer is you would have to ask them. Most societies considered homosexuality to be morally wrong. You would have to study each one of them to see why. I only gave you a sarcastic guess.

[seer]

In the U.S. we live in a secular society with secular laws. The Constitution was specifically set up to not favor any religion. We are guaranteed freedom of religion but we are also guaranteed freedom from religion if we so choose.

Again, you don't understand our history. Most of our state laws were actually grounded in Scripture, laws against sodomy, adultery, fornication, working on the Sabbath, and even blasphemy laws. And secular countries like China don't allow gay marriage and only recently made homosexual behavior legal. So I will ask again - what makes a "secular" law more correct or valid than a "religious" law?

[Sparko]

You agree then that sex of any type between a legally married couple is moral then?

do you? ANY type of sex?

[HMS_Beagle]

I never said they should.

You asked. I answered. My answer is you would have to ask them. Most societies considered homosexuality to be morally wrong. You would have to study each one of them to see why. I only gave you a sarcastic guess.

I was asking for your opinion with those questions, not theirs.

[HMS_Beagle]

Again, you don't understand our history. Most of our state laws were actually grounded in Scripture, laws against sodomy, adultery, fornication, working on the Sabbath, and even blasphemy laws. And secular countries like China don't allow gay marriage and only recently made homosexual behavior legal. So I will ask again - what makes a "secular" law more correct or valid than a "religious" law?

I'm talking about U.S. laws today. In the U.S. we don't have any religious laws. We're not a theocracy.

[HMS_Beagle]

do you? ANY type of sex?

Yep. I think what a married couple does sexually in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business. As long as it doesn't harm me, anyone else, or society in general it's not immoral.

What would a married couple do sexually that you consider immoral, and why?

[seer]

I'm talking about U.S. laws today. In the U.S. we don't have any religious laws. We're not a theocracy.

Well the US today is different than it was just 30-40 years ago. Would you be OK with a secular law against homosexuality? But I will ask again, why are secular laws more correct or valid than religious laws?

[HMS_Beagle]

Well the US today is different than it was just 30-40 years ago. Would you be OK with a secular law against homosexuality? But I will ask again, why are secular laws more correct or valid than religious laws?

In the U.S. it's because we're a secular country with secular laws.

I've given you the answer 3 times now. The answer won't change no matter how many times you ask the same question.

[Jedidiah]

You agree then that sex of any type between a legally married couple is moral then?

I believe that sex within marriage is moral.

[Jedidiah]

Fair enough. Why should society deny civil rights under secular laws to the non-hetero minority when the only reason you have is your religious beliefs?

The whole civil rights scam is just that a scam.

[Starlight]

um because every society in the history of the world (with only rare exceptions, usually in decaying societies on their way to falling) has considered homosexuality to be immoral. As well as illegal. as well as sex outside of marriage which is also immoral.

Totally untrue, as per usual for you.

Try the opposite. Basically every society in the history of the world, prior to Christian/Muslim colonialism was fine with homosexuality. The native peoples in both our countries were fine with it.

[Sea of red]

Totally untrue, as per usual for you.

Try the opposite. Basically every society in the history of the world, prior to Christian/Muslim colonialism was fine with homosexuality. The native peoples in both our countries were fine with it.

Yep.

[Sea of red]

I believe that sex within marriage is moral.

How about anal and oral?