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Exquisite fossilized dinosaur egg with complete embryo reveals bird-like behavior

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  • Exquisite fossilized dinosaur egg with complete embryo reveals bird-like behavior

    Dinosaur eggs that contain a preserved embryo are already extremely rare, but now researchers in southern China have uncovered not only a remarkably well-preserved specimen but one that also displays signs of a distinctive bird-like posture known as "tucking" (with the head under the right forelimb) for the first time.

    The fossilized embryo in the 6" elongated shell coming from the Late Cretaceous has been nicknamed "Baby Yingliang" after the museum in which it was discovered.


    Source: Well-Preserved Embryo Found Inside Fossilized Dinosaur Egg


    The rare specimen suggests that a two-legged dinosaur known as an oviraptorid hatched the way birds do



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    A life reconstruction of an oviraptorid dinosaur embryo that is close to hatching


    A rare look inside a fossilized dinosaur egg found in southern China has revealed an exquisitely preserved embryo—and evidence suggesting that some of these prehistoric creatures had even more in common with modern birds than previously thought.

    Scientists said the embryo inside the egg, which was laid between 72 million to 66 million years ago during the Late Cretaceous period, was that of a two-legged, feathered carnivore known as an oviraptorid. They said, in a paper about the discovery published Tuesday in the journal iScience, the embryo’s curled body position—with its back against the blunt end of the 7-inch-long egg and its head between its legs—resembles that of bird embryos.

    “This posture was previously not recognized in any dinosaur embryo,” said Fion Waisum Ma, a vertebrate paleontologist at the University of Birmingham in England and a co-author of the paper. She said the posture suggests that the embryo had assumed a tucked position before hatching—a behavior previously thought unique to birds.

    She called the newly described specimen “one of the best preserved dinosaur embryos ever found.”

    In birds, tucking leaves the embryo with its right wing over its head and its beak pointing toward an air space at the egg’s blunt end. That orientation helps direct the hatchling’s head as it uses its beak to crack the eggshell and emerge.


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    An oviraptorid embryo found in southern China


    “Failure to attain this posture would increase the chance of death, as the bird is less likely to break out of the egg successfully,” Ms. Ma said.

    An inspection of the oviraptorid egg showed what appeared to be an air space between the embryo’s spine and the egg’s blunt end, according to the researchers.

    The specimen was among several fossils discovered about two decades ago in the Chinese city of Ganzhou but not recognized to be fossilized dinosaur eggs until 2015, when evaluated by an expert. A close examination of one of the eggs, which had fossilized after breaking, showed that it held the preserved oviraptorid embryo.

    Paleontologists often use computed tomography, or CT, to examine fossils’ interiors. But Ms. Ma said that when the researchers scanned the fossilized embryo, “the results weren’t that great.” So the scientists carefully eyeballed the specimen and then created photorealistic reconstructions of the embryo inside the egg.

    Scores of fossilized dinosaur eggs have been discovered over the past century and a half. But eggs containing embryos are rare because the bones of embryonic dinosaurs are so fragile they are often destroyed before the fossilization process is complete.

    An embryo like the one detailed in the paper, with all its bones in place, is rarer still. Dinosaur embryos are usually found with their bones disarticulated, or no longer connected, making it hard to reconstruct their anatomy and pre-hatching behavior.

    Oviraptorids, a group of dinosaurs whose name means “egg thief,” lacked teeth but had curved beaks ideal for eating eggs and possibly shellfish. The animals—some the size of turkeys and others up to 23 feet in length—were plentiful in Asia and North America from about 125 million to 70 million years ago.

    The animals belonged to a group of two-legged, three-toed dinosaurs called theropods. All modern birds can trace their origins to theropods, according to paleontologists, with features like plumage, bipedalism and egg-laying common to both groups.

    Jasmina Wiemann, a California Institute of Technology paleobiologist who wasn’t involved in the study, called the new finding “a quite fascinating observation” because the highly elongated eggs of oviraptorid dinosaurs differ so significantly in shape from those of any bird.

    But the finding alone isn’t enough to prove that oviraptorids and birds shared pre-hatching behavior, said Shundong Bi, a biologist at Indiana University of Pennsylvania and co-author of a study describing a fossilized oviraptorid discovered in China sitting atop a clutch of its eggs. The study was published in March in the journal Science Bulletin.

    “The conclusion about ‘tucking’ behavior is debatable as it is primarily based on a single specimen,” said Dr. Bi, who wasn’t involved in the new research.

    Ms. Ma remains hopeful that similar specimens will be found.

    “It is possible to find more dinosaur embryos like this,” she said. “It is just a matter of time and luck. With more fossils, we could study the development and behavior of baby dinosaurs in more detail and with stronger evidence.”



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    The entire paper, An exquisitely preserved in-ovo theropod dinosaur embryo sheds light on avian-like prehatching postures was just released and can be read in its entirety at the link provide. The "Abstract" can be read below:


    Highlights
    • A Late Cretaceous oviraptorid theropod dinosaur embryo is preserved in-ovo
    • Its head lies ventral to the body, and the back curled along the egg's blunt pole
    • Its posture is similar to that of a late-stage modern bird embryo
    • Avian tucking behavior possibly originated among non-avian theropods
    Summary

    Despite the discovery of many dinosaur eggs and nests over the past 100 years, articulated in-ovo embryos are remarkably rare. Here we report an exceptionally preserved, articulated oviraptorid embryo inside an elongatoolithid egg, from the Late Cretaceous Hekou Formation of southern China. The head lies ventral to the body, with the feet on either side, and the back curled along the blunt pole of the egg, in a posture previously unrecognized in a non-avian dinosaur, but reminiscent of a late-stage modern bird embryo. Comparison to other late-stage oviraptorid embryos suggests that prehatch oviraptorids developed avian-like postures late in incubation, which in modern birds are related to coordinated embryonic movements associated with tucking — a behavior controlled by the central nervous system, critical for hatching success. We propose that such pre-hatching behavior, previously considered unique to birds, may have originated among non-avian theropods, which can be further investigated with additional discoveries of embryo fossils.


    They also have a "Graphical Abstract" which I included


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    But did they taste good scrambled, with bacon?

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      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      But did they taste good scrambled, with bacon?
      Only when fresh.

      I've got a friend with access to an MRI that we've used to check for embryos but have never found one in roughly 30-35 dino eggs I've owned over the years

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        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Only when fresh.

        I've got a friend with access to an MRI that we've used to check for embryos but have never found one in roughly 30-35 dino eggs I've owned over the years
        They tried and failed with a CT scan on this embryo, too.
        .
        Attempts at imaging YLSNHM01266 have been made using computed tomography (CT) and micro CT, but because of high density minerals and lack of contrast between bone and matrix, they did not provide useful anatomical data for bones still within the matrix. This is not unexpected, as CT imaging bones preserved in iron rich sediments is known to be difficult, as previously reported in other eggs from red beds in southern China (e.g., Wang et al., 2016).

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          Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

          They tried and failed with a CT scan on this embryo, too.
          .
          Attempts at imaging YLSNHM01266 have been made using computed tomography (CT) and micro CT, but because of high density minerals and lack of contrast between bone and matrix, they did not provide useful anatomical data for bones still within the matrix. This is not unexpected, as CT imaging bones preserved in iron rich sediments is known to be difficult, as previously reported in other eggs from red beds in southern China (e.g., Wang et al., 2016).
          With a few exceptions the eggs I was getting was from near the Mongolian border up in the northwest.

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          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            With a few exceptions the eggs I was getting was from near the Mongolian border up in the northwest.
            The last bunch I got came from up there and arrived just as the Chicom coronavirus was starting to break out. I had to assure customers that they weren't from anywhere near Wuhan (well over 2000 miles away -- almost as far as the distance between New York City and Las Vegas or London and Istanbul) and included a picture of one sitting on a table under an ultraviolet light (done where I had them scanned so I had a laboratory background rather than my kitchen table). Still, took me a year to sell them when it should've taken me three to four months.

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