Ooops - 1st Oort cloud object found ...

[oxmixmudd]

https://carnegiescience.edu/node/2082

There once was a time when YE Creationists could claim that all those nasty astronomers were making up stories about the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud. But then we started discovering Kuiper belt objects and they had to pretend they'd never really claimed it didn't exist and so the moved their sights out a little further - to the Oort cloud. "Look at how biased these scientists are" they would cackle. "No one has ever observed an Oort cloud object, yet they talk about it like it's real!"

But what they fail to understand is that gravity is real and gravity doesn't lie. And where orbital perturbations exist, mass also must exist. We've long known there is additional mass 'out there' by observing the orbit of Uranus - which led us to discover Neptune, and then later Pluto. But there just isn't enough mass with what we'd found, and not only that, we keep getting these comets lumbering in with these incredibly long orbits - they have to come from somewhere.

"Nay, Nay" the YE Creationist cried. "that is just your naturalistic 'religion' speaking".

But now we have a bonafide object that has not been disturbed so as to fall into the inner solar system yet which orbits into the Oort cloud.

Does one object an Oort cloud make? Well no, but along with it comes a host of newly discovered objects in-between. And of course, the formerly 'imaginary' kuiper belt currently holds over 1000 known objects of various orbits and sizes. It's only a matter of time it would seem.



Jim

[rogue06]

https://carnegiescience.edu/node/2082

There once was a time when YE Creationists could claim that all those nasty astronomers were making up stories about the Kuiper belt and the Oort cloud. But then we started discovering Kuiper belt objects and they had to pretend they'd never really claimed it didn't exist and so the moved their sights out a little further - to the Oort cloud. "Look at how biased these scientists are" they would cackle. "No one has ever observed an Oort cloud object, yet they talk about it like it's real!"

But what they fail to understand is that gravity is real and gravity doesn't lie. And where orbital perturbations exist, mass also must exist. We've long known there is additional mass 'out there' by observing the orbit of Uranus - which led us to discover Neptune, and then later Pluto. But there just isn't enough mass with what we'd found, and not only that, we keep getting these comets lumbering in with these incredibly long orbits - they have to come from somewhere.

"Nay, Nay" the YE Creationist cried. "that is just your naturalistic 'religion' speaking".

But now we have a bonafide object that has not been disturbed so as to fall into the inner solar system yet which orbits into the Oort cloud.

Does one object an Oort cloud make? Well no, but along with it comes a host of newly discovered objects in-between. And of course, the formerly 'imaginary' kuiper belt currently holds over 1000 known objects of various orbits and sizes. It's only a matter of time it would seem.



Jim

The first Oort object? I thought that some had already been identified like Sedna.

From a thread a bit over two months ago...

Until recently YECs were mocking the concept of the Kuiper belt as an ad hoc fantasy but most have quietly ceased their scoffing -- which is probably wise considering that astronomers have cataloged over a thousand Kuiper belt objects (KBOs) since the first one was detected in 1992.

And while some YECs like to pretend otherwise, there is fairly strong evidence for the existence of the Oort Cloud. There are, for instance, eight likely Oort cloud objects including Sedna (aka, 2003 VB₁₂ -- roughly three times as far from the sun as Neptune), which is very possibly a dwarf planet or planetoid and not a comet). It will make its closest approach to the sun in the mid 2070s and won't be back for roughly 12,000 years (it travels in an extremely elliptical orbit ranging from 76 AU to 937 AU from the Sun).

The others are 2000 CR₁₀₅, 2006 SQ₃₇₂, 2007 OR₁₀,
2008 KV₄₂ (for a bit about 2008 KV₄₂ see HERE), 2010 GB₁₇₄ and 2012 VP₁₁₃ (nicknamed "Biden" after the current Vice President),

Moreover, a radio broadcast from 2006 put out by the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) acknowledges that "what look like" Oort clouds have been seen around other stars

[oxmixmudd]

The first Oort object? I thought that some had already been identified like Sedna.

From a thread a bit over two months ago...

Yep - you are correct. The Object's actual distinction is that it has the farthest Perihelion. It never ventures closer that 80.5 AU.

Sorry I missed or did not remember your thread - you list most of the objects mentioned in the article I posted with perhaps the exception 2014 FE72, which ventures a whopping 4274 AU, well into the outer Oort cloud. That orbit takes the thing out to where it can be influenced by stars other than the Sun.

But hey, Oort cloud skeptics will soon have to go the way of Kuiper Belt skeptics. There are a large number of very large scopes coming on line. Of the 29 objects on the list in wikipedea discussing 2012 VP113, 20 where discovered since 2010.

Jim

[rwatts]

Yep - you are correct. The Object's actual distinction is that it has the farthest Perihelion. It never ventures closer that 80.5 AU.

Sorry I missed or did not remember your thread - you list most of the objects mentioned in the article I posted with perhaps the exception 2014 FE72, which ventures a whopping 4274 AU, well into the outer Oort cloud. That orbit takes the thing out to where it can be influenced by stars other than the Sun.

But hey, Oort cloud skeptics will soon have to go the way of Kuiper Belt skeptics. There are a large number of very large scopes coming on line. Of the 29 objects on the list in wikipedea discussing 2012 VP113, 20 where discovered since 2010.

Jim

Oh dear.

On facebook, I'm continually having to explain the rationale behind the Oort Cloud to those (with a wisdom I can only dream about) who continually deride the hypothesis as just another evolutionist conspiracy or hoax perpetrated as an attempt to deny God.

After explaining the reasons for postulating it, then explaining how the Kuiper Belt was once another of those evolutionist conspiracies or hoaxes, but now, more and more objects are being found there, it looks as if the Cloud is about to go that way as well.

[Sparko]

since Jorge is gone I will take up the banner!

NAY!!! NAY I SAY!!! This is just another example of Evilutionary conspiracies with "science" - There are no planets or objects beyond the stars which are only holes in the dome of the sky.

[shunyadragon]

since Jorge is gone I will take up the banner!

NAY!!! NAY I SAY!!! This is just another example of Evilutionary conspiracies with "science" - There are no planets or objects beyond the stars which are only holes in the dome of the sky.

. . . and the devil was left handed!

[Sparko]

. . . and the devil was left handed!

how did you know I was left-handed?

[shunyadragon]

how did you know I was left-handed?

Rumors.

[rogue06]

NAY!!! NAY I SAY!!!

Always suspected that you were some sorta naysayer.

[rogue06]

how did you know I was left-handed?

Because you have a hook in place of a right hand.