Originally posted by Kbertsche
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2) SR theory still assumes much which simply cannot be tested inductively by tests such as the PA. For example, mass increase cannot be tested, for mass can only be measured in the mass rest frame. ...
False.
I didn't mention it, but we can measure mass increase fairly easily in a particle accelerator. All we need is a bending magnet or steering coil to deflect the particle beam. (And every accelerator has a few steering coils.)
{Here are the details. A magnet as mentioned above imparts a transverse momentum "kick" to the particles; this momentum kick depends only on particle charge, magnetic field strength, and magnetic field length (it does NOT depend on particle velocity). This momentum kick gives an angular deflection to the particle beam. The angular deflection is the ratio of the transverse momentum kick to the longitudinal momentum of the particle. The longitudinal momentum depends on particle mass and velocity. A higher energy electron moving at nearly the speed of light will have a higher effective mass and will deflect less than a lower energy electron that is also moving at nearly the speed of light.}
False.
I didn't mention it, but we can measure mass increase fairly easily in a particle accelerator. All we need is a bending magnet or steering coil to deflect the particle beam. (And every accelerator has a few steering coils.)
{Here are the details. A magnet as mentioned above imparts a transverse momentum "kick" to the particles; this momentum kick depends only on particle charge, magnetic field strength, and magnetic field length (it does NOT depend on particle velocity). This momentum kick gives an angular deflection to the particle beam. The angular deflection is the ratio of the transverse momentum kick to the longitudinal momentum of the particle. The longitudinal momentum depends on particle mass and velocity. A higher energy electron moving at nearly the speed of light will have a higher effective mass and will deflect less than a lower energy electron that is also moving at nearly the speed of light.}
4) Time dilation and length contraction are difficult, or almost impossible to test inductively, for the test results are never given in the particle rest frame. ...
Nonsense again. In a particle's rest frame the particle is at rest, by definition. So it will have no time dilation or length contraction. A particle will only have time dilation and length contraction when measured in a moving frame with respect to the particle (e.g. A relativistic muon measured in a fixed reference frame on earth.)
Nonsense again. In a particle's rest frame the particle is at rest, by definition. So it will have no time dilation or length contraction. A particle will only have time dilation and length contraction when measured in a moving frame with respect to the particle (e.g. A relativistic muon measured in a fixed reference frame on earth.)
SR theory is simply not a robust measure of reality and any thinking person should reject it, even in spite of its apparent experimental verification as proposed by SR adherents.
JM
No, a thinking person should NOT reject the only theory which explains experimental data, even if the theory seems strange and counterintuitive. I know of no other theory which explains what we see. Do you have one that you wish to propose?
JM
No, a thinking person should NOT reject the only theory which explains experimental data, even if the theory seems strange and counterintuitive. I know of no other theory which explains what we see. Do you have one that you wish to propose?
SR theory is like evolution theory. Evolution says change occurs in small steps via mutation, and natural selection over a long time. At the end of a long time you can see some large accumulated changes, known as macro-evolution. Yet evolution says the theory falls under the inductive method whereby the theory is said to be science. Yet the theory also claims nobody will ever see any direct, observational evidence for macro evolution. Therefore macro evolution is not science, and the claim that scientists witness micro evolution is merely a projection of a theory that requires science to report such observations as micro evolution. Micro evolution is considered to be a science fact because a theory says that macro evolution accounts for the diversity of biological life, hence what is observed in nature must be micro evolution. In evolution theory, macro evolution is not, and cannot ever be observed.
Likewise in SR theory, time dilation, length contraction and mass change are never observed, but are required because a thought experiment and some equations have dictated what science thinks must be real. When a light, or near light speed test is performed, those equations are used and the results are presented as evidence for the theory.
SR theory is set up so nobody will ever observe what SR theory says is real. The theory hides within itself so to speak. The more tests done, the more convinced scientists are that SR theory is a measure of reality when nobody has ever directly measured any of its central findings of time dilation, length contraction and mass change. Science can only ever make measurements in the earth rest frame for particle motion. It is therefore an act of belief that such measurements are also really measuring time dilation, length contraction and mass change via the transforms. SR theory seems to be scientific, but it is really a poorly thought out thought experiment which
1) projects equations into experimental results made from the earth frame and
2) thereby promotes faith in poor thought, at the expense of more rigorous thought.
SR theory simply isn't science. It's a play toy, like an intellectual maze that modern man has freely chosen to buy into at the expense of more rigorous thought and better theory. It is no wonder that relativity theory is incompatible with other theories. If SR is any measure of what modern science has to offer, we should expect more of the same old junk theory making in other areas as well.
JM
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