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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNo, you just didn't provide correct urls. I corrected them in my reply to you above.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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What this proves is that scientists are not what they ought to be often. The scientific method is still sound, it is the users at fault.
Lest anyone doubt it, I do see the tongue in Seer's cheek.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by seer View PostYes, there is some work being do to correct this, but reading all three links, it seems that the problem may be insurmountable. Especially in light of the fact that journals have a bias again replicative work, and link mentioned in the "Sokal affair" where most of the reviewers did not seem to have a clue!I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostSince you repeatedly refer to the bias of the journals, you had better be able to back it up.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Carrikature View Post'Insurmountable'. Yes, run with that word. Hyperbole always pans out in the end.
The peer review process doesn't work. Most observers of science guffaw at the so-called "Sokal affair," where a physicist named Alan Sokal submitted a gibberish paper to an obscure social studies journal, which accepted it.Less famous is a similar hoodwinking of the very prestigious British Medical Journal, to which a paper with eight major errors was submitted. Not a single one of the 221 scientists who reviewed the paper caught all the errors in it, and only 30 percent of reviewers recommended that the paper be rejected. Amazingly, the reviewers who were warned that they were in a study and that the paper might have problems with it found no more flaws than the ones who were in the dark.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThis doesn't speak to the issue of peer review?
"this seems bad" is not going to work as the basis for this sort of conversation."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostWhy don't you define what you expect peer review to accomplish.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI'm only quoting what the article said.
Originally posted by seer View PostAgain:
This doesn't speak to the issue of peer review?I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by seer View PostTo correct errors.
Mostly, the job of reviewers is to ensure that the experimental approach is sound, the interpretations are reasonable (and alternative interpretations haven't been ignored), and the authors accurately integrate their results into the current scientific consensus. In the biosciences they'll often suggest new experiments to ensure that the paper's claims are thoroughly supported.
But if mistakes are made in the lab - the wrong mice bred, the wrong solution added - there's no way for a reviewer to catch that. How would you propose they could?"Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by seer View PostTo correct errors.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seer View PostI generally agree, but a position like Shuny's makes God the creator of all our evil acts. Meaning that we are not personally responsible for doing evil. God is. Shuny does not believe that men are broken - morally or otherwise.Last edited by shunyadragon; 04-18-2016, 05:02 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostThis doesn't speak to the issue of peer review?
Peer review is an ongoing process. After the paper is published, other scientists will get to work at trying to replicate or falsify it, and identify any errors.Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.
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I wish I could kiss the scientist that developed my new asthma medicine.
That said, I think the article to be true certainly in some ways.
People have preconceptions. Even scientists. I think the article certainly rings true in many ways.
But a larger issue in the OP is that science in fact is a priesthood. People believe the things that their priesthood says. They don't typically recreate the studies themselves.
A priesthood is a priesthood any way you slice it.The last Christian left at tweb
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