Is the Earth Flat? - Some Evidence Presented

[Sparko]

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I am convinced. Also if the world was curved, then all of the water would run down the sides.

[Sparko]

Also John mentioned the moon surface looked fake. That is partly due to a perception problem in the human eye. We tend to want to see light coming from the upper left for some reason and when it doesn't, we see hollow things as mounds instead.

If you flip the image upside down, all of a sudden the surface looks more like the moon we expect to see.

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[HMS_Beagle]

One video is zoomed out. The other zoomed in. This is clear from the differences in the amount of curvature we can see if the moon, this also explains the differences we see in the "roughness" we see on the horizon.

You do know how the zoom works on a camera don't you?

We'll add zoom photography to the ever growing list.

[HMS_Beagle]

Irs easy to understand. The moon seen from the earth is about 3.6 times smaller than the earth seen from the moon. Its about the same distance both ways, so the proportions will remain the same.

JM

Trollbat is still too stupid to understand perspective in pictures.

[Sparko]

Trollbat is still too stupid to understand perspective in pictures.

Wow. Lookie: The moon changes sizes!!! It must be filled with helium like a balloon.

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[rogue06]

Nope

Perspective again, you really need to try understand it.

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[Jedidiah]

It's breathing in the air washing off the edges of the earth.

That is not earth. It is Disc World.

[klaus54]

(1) A flat horizon is equidistant over a flat surface such as the ocean on a flat earth. What is equidistant in all directions will form a circular pattern in front of the viewer.

(2) No, due to the laws of perspective, which causes a natural horizon to form in front of the viewer when looking at the earth's surface in relation to the air.


JM

I don't understand (2).

As for (1), we see a curved horizon when we're in the middle of a calm see or a massive wheat field in Kansas because EARTH IS A SPHERE. In fact the impression one gets is of a huge dome ("the sky") meeting the land or sea in a circle.

A simpler answer for a flat-Earth nutter would be that Earth is a flat and its boundary circular.

[Sparko]

A simpler answer for a flat-Earth nutter would be that Earth is a flat and its boundary circular.

Just like John's reasoning.

[JohnMartin]

sure it is. The image shows it and you made the claim that the reason the sun doesn't light up the whole flat earth is that it acts like a spot light shining down on a small area of the earth at one time and the rest of the earth is dark. That means that the sun light can't reach the moon on the dark side of the earth. Therefore you can't see the moon. See the drawing.

False.

The sun and moon have so many problems on a flat earth and you have not answered any of them, you either totally ignore the posts or handwave them away without any explanation. That shows that you know they disprove a flat earth and you are not interested in the truth, but just perpetuating your trolling.

The thread was set up to propose some of the evidence for the flat earth. That is what I have done.

So far:
1. Sun can't light up the moon

You only think it can't or think the model cannot account for it.

2. People on south hemisphere should be able to see the far side of the moon but can't

This was already answered.

3. Celestial objects like the moon appear upside down in the southern hemisphere.

Similar effect on FE.

4. No mechanism for a lunar eclipse on a flat earth.

No mechanism for a lunar eclipse on a global earth when the sun, earth and moon are not aligned. Evidence was presented for this, which was ignored.

5. Certain constellations are visible in the north but not the south and vice versa (big dipper, polaris, southern cross)

Troll defeated.

A problem no doubt.

JM

[Sparko]

False.



The thread was set up to propose some of the evidence for the flat earth. That is what I have done.



You only think it can't or think the model cannot account for it.



This was already answered.



Similar effect on FE.



No mechanism for a lunar eclipse on a global earth when the sun, earth and moon are not aligned. Evidence was presented for this, which was ignored.



A problem no doubt.

JM

merely saying it is no problem or saying it was already answered when it was not, doesn't prove anything. show me. prove it. otherwise I know I am right and you are merely trolling.

[JohnMartin]

This means the sun is not close to the Earth. Nor is it small.


Jim

How do you account for the suns raises acting at angles through the clouds? The angles point back to a close sun, like a lamp above a tree?

How do you account for the eclipse over Greenland and Scotland that should have occurred far lower on the earth when the sun and moon are aligned?

How do you account for the eclipses of the moon when the sun and moon are both visible in the sky and out of alignment with the earth, as in the evidence presented on this thread?

How do you account for the sun hot spot over the clouds as seen from the high balloon?


How do you account for buildings and light houses and islands seen from great distances that are prohibitive on a global earth?

JM

[JohnMartin]

I don't understand (2).

As for (1), we see a curved horizon when we're in the middle of a calm see or a massive wheat field in Kansas because EARTH IS A SPHERE. In fact the impression one gets is of a huge dome ("the sky") meeting the land or sea in a circle.

A simpler answer for a flat-Earth nutter would be that Earth is a flat and its boundary circular.

You cannot distinguish between the FE and the globe locally, because of the circular view caused by equidistance.

JM

[Raphael]

sure it is. The image shows it and you made the claim that the reason the sun doesn't light up the whole flat earth is that it acts like a spot light shining down on a small area of the earth at one time and the rest of the earth is dark. That means that the sun light can't reach the moon on the dark side of the earth. Therefore you can't see the moon. See the drawing.

False.

Your model has the earth and the moon circling the earth roughly over the equator. When the moon is full it would be on the opposite side of the world from the sun (so at it's furthest distance from the sun).
Now you either have to have the sun operating like a spotlight (illuminating straight down only), which means the moon can't be illuminated by the sun, or you have to explain why the sun can illuminate the moon, while not keeping everything above the tropics in constant sunlight.

The sun and moon have so many problems on a flat earth and you have not answered any of them, you either totally ignore the posts or handwave them away without any explanation. That shows that you know they disprove a flat earth and you are not interested in the truth, but just perpetuating your trolling.

The thread was set up to propose some of the evidence for the flat earth. That is what I have done.

The evidence has been looked at and found to wanting.
It is unable to explain any of what we are able to observe. It's no more evidence that we have a flat earth than Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels are. i.e. fiction (although the Discworld series is actually good.....this "evidence" not so much)

So far:
1. Sun can't light up the moon

You only think it can't or think the model cannot account for it.

That is a non answer. The models you have presented have issues, and one of those is either the Northern Hemisphere should be in pretty much constant sunlight, or the moon should spend most of it's time dark.

2. People on south hemisphere should be able to see the far side of the moon but can't

This was already answered.

Adequately. If the moon circles roughly over the equator, then we should only be seeing the opposite side of it. (and people in the topics only the underside of it)

3. Celestial objects like the moon appear upside down in the southern hemisphere.

Similar effect on FE.

one is a 180 degree rotation of the other, the FE model means we would be looking at the back of the moon.

4. No mechanism for a lunar eclipse on a flat earth.

No mechanism for a lunar eclipse on a global earth when the sun, earth and moon are not aligned. Evidence was presented for this, which was ignored.

You seem to have a very different definition of the word evidence compared to the rest of us.

5. Certain constellations are visible in the north but not the south and vice versa (big dipper, polaris, southern cross)

Troll defeated.

A problem no doubt.

JM

Wow, you actually agreed there was a problem with the flat earth model.

[HMS_Beagle]

How do you account for the suns raises acting at angles through the clouds? The angles point back to a close sun, like a lamp above a tree?

Idiot. The sun's rays are parallel. Because of perspective they look like they converge at a distant point, just like parallel railroad tracks look like they converge in the distance.

How do you account for the eclipse over Greenland and Scotland that should have occurred far lower on the earth when the sun and moon are aligned?

Idiot. Because the moon's orbit is inclined 5 deg. from the sun-earth plane the moon's shadow can fall anywhere on the globe from pole to pole. Here's a map of the moon shadow path for all solar eclipses from 2001-2020

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How do you account for the eclipses of the moon when the sun and moon are both visible in the sky and out of alignment with the earth, as in the evidence presented on this thread?

Idiot. The few rare times it's seen have been due to atmospheric refraction. Why don't we see it with every eclipse moonbat?

How do you account for the sun hot spot over the clouds as seen from the high balloon?

Idiot. There isn't one. The sun's reflection off clouds isn't a close sun "hotspot".

How do you account for buildings and light houses and islands seen from great distances that are prohibitive on a global earth?

Idiot. Light refracts in the atmosphere and under certain conditions objects over the horizon can still be seen.

0 for 5 FAIL for the Moonbat.