Originally posted by 37818
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1) One of the compelling things about the shroud is that it does not show distortion that would be expected from a cloth on or wrapping something. That's actually a point in its favor since neither the 1st Century nor the Medieval period had the technology to create a projected image. The best attempt to date used a camera obscura and created an extremely poor image. It strains credulity that a medieval artist would have hung a body in a cave for the several days it takes to create that poor image - let alone would have stumbled on the correct combination of chemicals to make the cloth photosensitive as was done in the experiment. It gets just silly to assume that unknown artist then perfected the technique but never used it again for anything else.
2) If you are so poorly versed in the shroud's facts that you didn't know it had the front and back images how could you possibly be well enough informed to make an actually valid assessment of the evidence? A video of a Barbie doll isn't exactly rigorous science - you should have known better and done a little fact checking before you made such a sweeping - and wrong - assertion.
3) The napkin is a non-issue. Raphael posted the foremost argument - that it refers to the cloth used to secure the jaw - and I posted the secondary - that it refers to the cloth used to cover the Lord's face as His body was removed from the cross (possibly the Oviero of Sudarium) which was subsequently removed when the body was placed in the shroud. Since tying the jaw was a required part of Jewish custom, it's silly to assume that it would have been left undone hence both the issue of the face cloth (napkin) and the issue of John's use of the plural are answered. I actually favor the second argument as I think the science on the OoS is compelling but either is sufficient to answer the concern.
4) Shuny's points were refuted - pretty easily.
I don't care if you accept or reject the shroud - it's just a cloth, after all. But if you're going to post 'proof' make sure it actually proves what you think it does.
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