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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostSo, we still are that youngster that thinks he has a handle on a subject, but doesn't fully realize the amount of knowledge he still lacks?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe extra mass could be caused by some other phenomena that we have not discovered yet, or some change in our calculation regarding gravity, or any other number of other things. Sure adding "dark matter" fixes the problem, but that is because it is a "fudge factor" and that is what fudge factors do. They provide a solution to a problem until the ACTUAL solution comes along. When astronomers believed in epicycles, they had to explain why planets seemed to go backwards in their orbits every so often. Well epicycles explained it perfectly and the math worked out exactly! Did that mean that epicycles were real? No. Because once they realize that the Earth went around the sun and so did the planets, then the retrograde problem went away because Earth was orbiting faster than the outer planets so they appeared to go backwards when we overtook them in our orbit.
Nobody knows what dark matter is. It is just a label for unknown mass needed to explain certain observations. I personally think it makes more sense to believe that it is a flaw in our science and formulas, than there is some mysterious matter out there that we can't see or detect in any way but it has mass and yet no other physicality.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postno. scientists are aware that they have no real idea what dark matter and energy are and that they might just be fudge factors.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostActually there is a theory that the gravitational effect of relativity is the cause of the extra mass.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt supposedly makes up the majority of the universe. Yet we can't see it. It also means that it should be right here among us. So why can't we find it on Earth? or in our Solar System? Why does it only exist "out there?" Why are we so special that it doesn't exist right here?
also "dark" in Dark matter and energy doesn't refer to it being dark, but being "unknown"
I lean toward "dark matter" being real; I think it is the simplest explanation of the data that has already been mentioned in this thread. The main alternative to dark matter is MOND (modified Newtonian dynamics), but it is hard for the various MOND theories to explain everything that dark matter does (e.g. the bullet cluster).
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View PostIf dark matter exists, then it DOES exist "right here". But since we don't know what it is, we don't know how to detect it.
I lean toward "dark matter" being real; I think it is the simplest explanation of the data that has already been mentioned in this thread. The main alternative to dark matter is MOND (modified Newtonian dynamics), but it is hard for the various MOND theories to explain everything that dark matter does (e.g. the bullet cluster).
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postbasically dark matter and energy are "fudge factors" used to explain holes in our current understanding and math regarding the universe. Neither has ever been detected. It will probably end up with new math and concepts that explain things like the expansion speed of the universe without dark matter or energy.http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postno.
I am saying it is used as one. Whether it is conclusive, can be actually debated.
Has JohnMartin brought this one up in a non-locked thread? What was the answer?
But as to its being used, I do frequent other Geocentrics sufficiently to know about what arguments they use.http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html
Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!
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Originally posted by hansgeorg View PostI wasn't saying it was a conclusive one.
I am saying it is used as one. Whether it is conclusive, can be actually debated.
Has JohnMartin brought this one up in a non-locked thread? What was the answer?
But as to its being used, I do frequent other Geocentrics sufficiently to know about what arguments they use.
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https://www.newscientist.com/article...f-dark-matter/
Looks like "modified gravity" may make "dark matter" unnecessary.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Posthttps://www.newscientist.com/article...f-dark-matter/
Looks like "modified gravity" may make "dark matter" unnecessary.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Posthttps://www.newscientist.com/article...f-dark-matter/
Looks like "modified gravity" may make "dark matter" unnecessary.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Posthttps://www.newscientist.com/article...f-dark-matter/
Looks like "modified gravity" may make "dark matter" unnecessary.
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