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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostJ.P. makes a good case for angels (dimensional beings) in Genesis 6. Of course he is not the only one. We know nothing of the physical makeup of these beings so how would it be considered preposterous? The Bible states in many passages about angels having physical manifestations: Acts 12:5-12, Genesis 19:1-7, Genesis 19:10-13.
So if they can touch you, eat with you etc. then yes, they can possibly manifest compatible sexual organs and sperm. I don't see how if angels (again dimensional beings) are real, any of this would be preposterous.
I'd argue it's also preposterous in theological sense. It entails the belief that God unleashed horny inter-dimensional beings that can reproduce with human women. That doesn't happen by accident.
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Originally posted by whag View PostIt's realistic that we bred with other species. We have a propensity to multiply.
It's preposterous to think that species was the legend that Genesis describes. Angels are spirit. How would they have compatible reproductive apparatus with human beings?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWho says it had to be done via sexual reproduction. Technology doesn't evolve in the supernatural realm like it does in the human realm.
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Originally posted by whag View PostOur sexual apparatus isn't "technology," for one. Second, the daughters were physical not metaphysical. They had primate wombs made of meat.
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Originally posted by whag View PostPreposterous in the scientific sense. Biologists have no methodology to test for what you described.
I'd argue it's also preposterous in theological sense. It entails the belief that God unleashed horny inter-dimensional beings that can reproduce with human women. That doesn't happen by accident."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostOf course biologists have no methodology. You would need to study an angels biology to come up with any conclusions. You will just have to wait until they capture one . No it entails that God created beings that can manifest themselves physically. Since the Bible teaches that, I don't see the problem.
It's kind of hokey, though. The sacredness of divine creation is diminished if any spirit can change from genderless spirit into the form of a male higher primate. That's godlike.
Can they become scorpions and squirrels, as well?
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI'm saying that if man today knows how to genetically manipulate the reproductive system of a female mammal, allowing for parthenogenesis, the sons of God could presumably do the same. Or who knows what technology they knew that we may not even know today.
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Originally posted by whag View PostThe sons of god manipulated female organs to be compatible with what exactly? Spiritual sperm?
But even if they did (and I don't think they did), the offspring would still be human. Human genes paired with human genes (which is what an angel would have to take on) equals human genes. It would make family reunions awkward and exciting but I don't think anybody would be getting super powers.
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I don't believe angels did consort with humans like Sean does, but I do believe angels can take on physical form and all that that entails.
Moreover, why would angels want to become lower than themselves?
But even if they did (and I don't think they did), the offspring would still be human. Human genes paired with human genes (which is what an angel would have to take on) equals human genes. It would make family reunions awkward and exciting but I don't think anybody would be getting super powers.
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Originally posted by whag View PostWhy would God allow them to take human form and disguise themselves as an evolved primate? Could they also become antelopes?
Moreover, why would angels want to become lower than themselves?
If they're just normal human beings, why are they giants?
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Originally posted by whag View PostGranted, the bible teaches that enfleshment is a doddle for spirits. Anything's easy when you're a spirit, apparently. =P
It's kind of hokey, though. The sacredness of divine creation is diminished if any spirit can change from genderless spirit into the form of a male higher primate. That's godlike.
Can they become scorpions and squirrels, as well?
Tell me why they wouldn't be able too? Can Satan become a snake (not that I believe this idea)? You are very limited in your view of how divine beings ought to work. We as humans have no clue what they can and cannot do.Last edited by Jesse; 08-08-2014, 08:46 PM."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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