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Belief a Conscious Choice?
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Sparko,
re: "But nobody has argued for belief without evidence."
So I ask again; how do you know when you have evidence? And once you realize that you have evidence, what is the state of your mind at that moment with regard to the truth about the issue in question?
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostSparko,
re: "But nobody has argued for belief without evidence."
So I ask again; how do you know when you have evidence? And once you realize that you have evidence, what is the state of your mind at that moment with regard to the truth about the issue in question?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHow do you know YOU have evidence for something?
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...eti145285.html
"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."
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mossrose,
re: "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."
And once you have a proven proof, then what with regard to the issue in question?
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Originally posted by rstrats View Postmossrose,
re: "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."
And once you have a proven proof, then what with regard to the issue in question?
By the way, if you would like to quote someone in your post, just click on "reply with quote" on their post and it will automatically open up a box with their post in quotes for you.
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostSparko,
re: "How do you know YOU have evidence for something?"
Hey, I asked you first.
Evidence can be good or bad. That is why we have some people who believe in UFOs or Leprechauns. Personally I don't find the evidence for either to be convincing. Therefore I can't "just choose" to believe in them for no reason at all.
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Sparko,
re: "... I don't find the evidence for...[leprechauns]... to be convincing."
So you're implying that the way that you would know that you had evidence for the existence of leprechauns is if the evidence convinced you of their existence?
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostSparko,
re: "... I don't find the evidence for...[leprechauns]... to be convincing."
So you're implying that the way that you would know that you had evidence for the existence of leprechauns is if the evidence convinced you of their existence?
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Maybe a better example is politics. Democrats and Republicans each have various reasons why you should believe them and join with their side. And both parties have done things that are good, and bad. So it comes down to your choice of who you want to follow. You don't just wake up one day and say "OK I am going to be a democrat today, since I was republican yesterday"
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Sparko,
re: "Even with evidence I would have to decide whether to accept it or not."
I maintain that if beliefs can be engendered by simply choosing to have them, then evidence is not necessary. However, you say that you need evidence in order to consciously choose to believe things. So I ask again, how would you know when you had evidence?
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Sparko,
re: "You don't just wake up one day and say 'OK I am going to be a democrat today, since I was republican yesterday'".
It has to work that way. You can't be a democrat and a republican at the same time. There has to be an instant when your one designation changes from the one to the other.
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Originally posted by rstrats View PostSparko,
re: "Even with evidence I would have to decide whether to accept it or not."
I maintain that if beliefs can be engendered by simply choosing to have them, then evidence is not necessary. However, you say that you need evidence in order to consciously choose to believe things. So I ask again, how would you know when you had evidence?
Originally posted by rstrats View PostSparko,
re: "You don't just wake up one day and say 'OK I am going to be a democrat today, since I was republican yesterday'".
It has to work that way. You can't be a democrat and a republican at the same time. There has to be an instant when your one designation changes from the one to the other.
If you ever sat in a jury and listened to witness testimony, that is evidence. Both sides will present such evidence. But it is up to the jury to weigh the evidence of both sides and then choose which one to believe. The evidence doesn't force you to make a specific choice, that choice is still yours to make using your own free will.
Now stop repeating yourself.
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