Book Plunge: Can Christians Prove The Resurrection?

[37818]

Regardless of why he created it, if he is all-knowing, he knew that the majority of mankind would end up suffering there for all eternity. So why did he create mankind to begin with if he knew most of us would suffer horrifically forever in his torture pit???

Sadist.

". . . For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: . . ." -- Matthew 7:2.

You didn't answer my question:

"Can you be 100% certain that when you die you will not burn for all eternity in the Muslim Hell because you are a wicked infidel who never acknowledged that Allah is the only true God and that the Koran is the only true Word of God?"

Of course I am absolutely certain that I will be in the presence of the prophet Jesus. The Apostle John being the last living prophet on the earth until the return of Moses and Elijah.

[Gary]

". . . For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: . . ." -- Matthew 7:2.
Of course I am absolutely certain that I will be in the presence of the prophet Jesus. The Apostle John being the last living prophet on the earth until the return of Moses and Elijah.

So you are absolutely certain that the Muslim exclusivist supernatural claims are false and I am absolutely sure that your conservative Christian exclusivist supernatural claims are false!

Just as you are not worried about spending eternity in the Muslim Hell, I am not worried about spending eternity in the conservative Christian Hell! So you can stop trying to use Pascal's Wager on me.

[One Bad Pig]

I am not worried about spending eternity in the conservative Christian Hell!

Yes, you are. Your promotion of Christian universalism makes that obvious.

[37818]

So you are absolutely certain that the Muslim exclusivist supernatural claims are false and I am absolutely sure that your conservative Christian exclusivist supernatural claims are false!

What is the basis of your absolutely sure?

Just as you are not worried about spending eternity in the Muslim Hell, I am not worried about spending eternity in the conservative Christian Hell! So you can stop trying to use Pascal's Wager on me.

I wouldn't be concerned about spending an eternity in a non-existent "conservative Christian Hell" either. But the lake of fire God made for the devil and his messengers, that should be a concern if one does not keep one's name in the Lamb's book of life [Revelation 3:5; Revelation 17:8; Revelation 20:15].

[shunyadragon]

Well I was never told stories about the boogeyman. Though mentioned by others. I never really believe there was a Santa Claus or Easter Bunny or tooth fairy. I participated in those activities as if they were real. I believed in God as early as I can remember. I didn't like Sunday school home work. I had no use for it. It was the notion that one can know for sure about going to heaven - that I heard and understood the gospel message for the first time.

For you to claim that people who die will not perish in an eternal hell for an eternity - that it is a myth. I'll ask you this - do you know this with absolute certainty? How? You have to have something in its place that you know for sure about - without a doubt. Please explain.

Oh yes!!! You were told of the 'boogeyman!' There are just different versions and different names of the boogeyman in ancient mythology that say, 'If you do not behave or follow the rules . . ., you will be whatever is nasty and unpleasant beyond whatever.

[Gary]

What is the basis of your absolutely sure?

I wouldn't be concerned about spending an eternity in a non-existent "conservative Christian Hell" either. But the lake of fire God made for the devil and his messengers, that should be a concern if one does not keep one's name in the Lamb's book of life [Revelation 3:5; Revelation 17:8; Revelation 20:15].

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[37818]

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[Same Hakeem]

McCullagh’s criterion is “The statement, together, with other statements already held to be true, must imply yet other statements describing present, observable data.”

The present observable data test does not include a resurrection as no historian is able to observe Jesus’ "resurrection". Actual resurrection are not observable.

[Apologiaphoenix]

McCullagh’s criterion is “The statement, together, with other statements already held to be true, must imply yet other statements describing present, observable data.”

The present observable data test does not include a resurrection as no historian is able to observe Jesus’ "resurrection". Actual resurrection are not observable.

They're not?

So you have exhaustive data from all over the world that no miracle has occurred that involves someone coming back from the dead?

[Same Hakeem]

They're not?

So you have exhaustive data from all over the world that no miracle has occurred that involves someone coming back from the dead?

As per McCullagh requirement that claim must be present and observable . A resurrection is not present and observable data and hence does not pass this test.

[Apologiaphoenix]

So you know there have been no resurrections?

[Same Hakeem]

So you know there have been no resurrections?

I know there have not been a present and an observable resurrection.

[Apologiaphoenix]

Really? You have global knowledge of all going on in our world right now? Impressive.

Please tell me where I am right now omniscient one.

[Same Hakeem]

[QUOTE=Apologiaphoenix;553199]Really? You have global knowledge of all going on in our world right now? Impressive.

Yes as no one has substantial evidence of a present and observable resurrection (not resucitation).

[Apologiaphoenix]

[QUOTE=Same Hakeem;553255]

Really? You have global knowledge of all going on in our world right now? Impressive.

Yes as no one has substantial evidence of a present and observable resurrection (not resucitation).

If you mean one like Jesus, sure, but that's not really a problem. We have plenty of evidence of miracles and we have evidence of theism and that's all we need.