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  • Book Plunge: Rediscovering Jesus

    What are my thoughts on this book?

    The link can be found here.

    The text is as follows:

    What do I think about the new book from Rodney Reeves, Randy Richards, and David Capes published by IVP? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    Rediscovering Jesus by Capes, Reeves, and Richards is a surprising read. Now I had read this book shortly after reading Rediscovering Paul so I was expecting something like that, but that isn't exactly what I got. At the start, I was kind of disappointed hoping to find more about the culture of Jesus and especially looking at Jesus from an honor and shame perspective. That disappointment was only initial. As I got further into the book, I found myself quite intrigued and fascinated by what I was reading in the book and I found the idea for consideration a fascinating one.

    This idea is to look at Jesus in isolation from the major sources that we have, such as the Gospel writers individually, the Pauline epistles, Hebrews, the general epistles, and Revelation. What would it be like if each source was the only source we had on Jesus? We usually take a composite of all we have on Jesus and then put that together and say this is the real Jesus. There is no fault in this, but looking at each case in isolation can be an interesting case study. Imagine how different our worldview would be if the only source we had on Jesus was the book of Revelation?

    While these are fascinating, there is also a second section where we look at Jesus from other sources. What about the Gnostic Jesus such as popularized in works like The Da Vinci Code? What about the Jesus of Muslims who never died on the cross? What about the historical Jesus of modern historians who do not hold to the reality of miracles? What about the Mormon Jesus that looks like a Jesus made just for America? Speaking of that, what about the American Jesus as here in America, Jesus is used to promote and sell just about anything. Every side in every debate usually wants to try to claim Jesus. Finally, what about the Cinematic Jesus? Many of us have seen Hollywood movies about Jesus. Some are good. Some are not. How would we view Jesus if all we had were those movies to watch? (And since so few people read any more, this could become an increasingly common occurrence.)

    For me, honestly the most fascinating section was the one on the American Jesus. This dealt with so much I see in my culture. It's interesting we don't talk about the French Jesus or the Japanese Jesus or the Italian Jesus. It's more the American one. This one changes so much to being the super manly Jesus who takes the world like a man or the Prince Charming Jesus that every girl sings about as her boyfriend. This can be the pragmatic Jesus who is there to help us promote our culture, or it can be the Superman Jesus who rescues us when we're in need, but then disappears. I do have to admit I am a Superman fan so I could see the parallels very easily and while I do think there are valid parallels, we do not want to see Jesus as identical with Superman. If there's any chapter in the book I keep coming back to mentally, it's this one. I will certainly be watching my culture much more.

    I find this book to be one of the most eye-opening ones I have read in that sense. I do not think I ever paused to consider what it would mean if all I had to tell me about Jesus was just one particular source or one kind of source. How much richer off we are for having all these other sources! We can also be thankful for the non-Christian sources as well because these can highlight aspects of the Biblical Jesus that we might have lost sight of or they could show that the Jesus of the Bible is so much greater by contrast. If an outside source says something true about Jesus, we are the better for it. If it says something false, this can contrast with the true and we are the better.

    I recommend the work wholeheartedly. It fortunately also comes with questions at the end that make it ideal for small group discussion.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

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    Sounds like an interesting read.

    I remember the portrayals of Jesus in the 1960s, skinny, with white robe, sandals, long beard and long hair. Driving through the hippie neighborhoods, kids would holler out the window, "There's Jesus!" In the 1970s Christian publishers gave Jesus more muscles and trimmed his hair and beard.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
      ...Speaking of that, what about the American Jesus as here in America, Jesus is used to promote and sell just about anything. Every side in every debate usually wants to try to claim Jesus. Finally, what about the Cinematic Jesus? Many of us have seen Hollywood movies about Jesus. Some are good. Some are not. How would we view Jesus if all we had were those movies to watch? (And since so few people read any more, this could become an increasingly common occurrence.)

      For me, honestly the most fascinating section was the one on the American Jesus. This dealt with so much I see in my culture. It's interesting we don't talk about the French Jesus or the Japanese Jesus or the Italian Jesus. It's more the American one. This one changes so much to being the super manly Jesus who takes the world like a man or the Prince Charming Jesus that every girl sings about as her boyfriend. This can be the pragmatic Jesus who is there to help us promote our culture, or it can be the Superman Jesus who rescues us when we're in need, but then disappears. I do have to admit I am a Superman fan so I could see the parallels very easily and while I do think there are valid parallels, we do not want to see Jesus as identical with Superman. If there's any chapter in the book I keep coming back to mentally, it's this one. I will certainly be watching my culture much more.
      Apologies if this is tangential, but I am curious in what context you see this American Jesus. In what way is Jesus used to sell stuff, for example? I cannot think of anything in the UK like that. Perhaps there is no French Jesus or Japanese Jesus or Italian Jesus in the way there is a US one.
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        Originally posted by The Pixie View Post
        Apologies if this is tangential, but I am curious in what context you see this American Jesus. In what way is Jesus used to sell stuff, for example? I cannot think of anything in the UK like that. Perhaps there is no French Jesus or Japanese Jesus or Italian Jesus in the way there is a US one.
        Jesus T-shirts. Jesus mints. Most any cliche or idea can be taken, changed to Jesus, and then sold. It's what I think it was Keith Green referred to as "Jesus Junk."

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          Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
          Jesus T-shirts. Jesus mints. Most any cliche or idea can be taken, changed to Jesus, and then sold. It's what I think it was Keith Green referred to as "Jesus Junk."
          For instance all of the merchandise with WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?) on it ranging from jewelry, belts, plates, hats, shirts (lots of shirts), cups and drinking glasses, key rings, bumper stickers etcetera ad nauseam

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            For instance all of the merchandise with WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?) on it ranging from jewelry, belts, plates, hats, shirts (lots of shirts), cups and drinking glasses, key rings, bumper stickers etcetera ad nauseam
            If you think about it, WWJD doesn't make much sense. Jesus has more choices of what to do then we do. Might as well ask what any good guy elohim would do!
            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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