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Anderson is a false teacher. He denies the gospel to sinners by claiming that homosexuals cannot repent. I don't expect him to get less basic concepts either."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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A prayer to Mary is one of the earliest prayers we have outside of the NT (3rd century). There are a handful of early instances of writings rejecting icons, but I recall no writings rejecting intercession of the saints from the first millennium or so - Nick, do you know of any?
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostOBP. Knowing of it being rejected doesn't mean it's in practice. James Endell Tyler wrote an interesting book on that. It's an old book, but I know Tim McGrew encourages the reading of old books.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'm not sure what you're talking about. Maybe slow down, proofread, and take the time to link me to the book you want me to read? This is uncharacteristically sloppy of you. Old books can be good or bad. Interesting books can be good or bad."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
I suppose I'll take a look at later sections as I have time, but all the argument in the world isn't likely to budge me, because invocation of the saints works. Countless miracles have been worked via invocation of the saints - to the glory of God. If God honors it, why reject it? Think about that.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI was going to say, I think you read more patristic literature than anybody here. I wouldn't think you would have an objection to reading something old."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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And... I think I'll just let myself out... Before the fireworks all go off...
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My Lutheran relatives are always praying to one dead saint or another -- usually whichever one is supposedly in charge of finding lost things. It does seem to work for them, but I can't get past the necromancy aspect.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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I am unconvinced that there is a conscious intermediate state to begin with. As Glenn Peoples points out, there are only a few passages that cause the view difficulty, and they all seem to appear in contexts where the idea of a literal teaching is questionable (i.e. souls at the altar in Revelation, parable of rich man and Lazarus). Meanwhile, the image of death as sleep is prevalent through Scripture, and Daniel 12:2 and 12:13 seems to me to be a straightforward teaching that Daniel and others would sleep until the final judgment. I don't dogmatically hold the view as I don't think Scripture is entirely clear one way or the other, but this does present an extra hurdle."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostA prayer to Mary is one of the earliest prayers we have outside of the NT (3rd century). There are a handful of early instances of writings rejecting icons, but I recall no writings rejecting intercession of the saints from the first millennium or so - Nick, do you know of any?
There's even a story in the OT showing the efficacy of relics (a dead man who touched Elisha's relics came back to life).
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