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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI don't think it's necessary. This is the only place in Scripture where fire is described in this way and yes, I think some peopel do think the Earth will be destroyed because everyone lives in Heaven at that point. New does not just refer to chronology. It also refers to quality. Anyone in Christ is a new creation. We're not destroyed and then remade. We are in the process of purification instead.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsure some people think we will all live in heaven floating on clouds and playing harps, but that is not what the bible says. It says there will be a new Earth and a new Heaven and we will live on the New Earth. I think it refers to a restoration of God's creation to what it was before the fall, probably better. The entire universe. There will be fundamental changes. There will be no more death or decay for example. I think that means changes down to the molecular level. The old Earth will be destroyed. But the destruction means it will go away, be transformed. Not blown to bits. I have never heard anyone think the planet was going to be disintegrated or blown up. But it will be remade. Just like our bodies will be remade. The old bodies will be transformed. They will be no more. We will have glorified bodies.
This world is our home. It's where we were made to dwell.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI agree entirely, but yes. I do think there are many people who think this world will go away. This world is not my home. I'm just passing through!
This world is our home. It's where we were made to dwell.sigpic
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI agree entirely, but yes. I do think there are many people who think this world will go away. This world is not my home. I'm just passing through!
This world is our home. It's where we were made to dwell.
We are not complete without our bodies and we won't have our bodies in heaven, but eventually heaven will be on Earth when New Jerusalem comes.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Posteggzactly. Sounds like the end of the world to me. And then God makes a New Heaven and a New Earth. Basically he renews his creation. The old creation passes away and is transformed into a new creation. Apparently that involves a lot of noise, elements melting and the Earth burning. Sounds like every "end of the world" scenario I have ever heard of.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostWhy should I think Jesus will descend after that?Last edited by Scrawly; 04-05-2018, 05:11 PM.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostI am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. (Rev. 22:12). This echoes Matt. 16:27 (also Isa. 40:10; 62:11) and likewise seems to deal with the second coming/day of the Lord.
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostThere are different interpretations of the latter part of Matthew 24. I'm unsure where I stand exactly, but I think the gathering of the elect actually refers to the work of evangelism.
Angels refers to messengers as well and even human ones. John the Baptist was an angelos.
Now I know partial preterists believe in a two age model that states God executed his wrath upon apostate Judaism via the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD which ushered in the "age to come", the age we are now living in; however, I find that the difference between "this age" and the "age to come" is the difference between "the temporal" and "the eternal" in the bible so we cannot currently be living in "the age to come" -- see for example, Luke 20:34-36.Last edited by Scrawly; 04-07-2018, 10:29 PM.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostI am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. (Rev. 22:12). This echoes Matt. 16:27 (also Isa. 40:10; 62:11) and likewise seems to deal with the second coming/day of the Lord.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe "I am coming soon" is better translated "I am coming quickly." Not when, but how, "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." -- Matthew 24:27. His second coming is yet future. What the Apostle Peter wrote is to be understood as yet true, ". . . But the end of all things is near: . . ." --1 Peter 4:7.
2) 1Pet. 4:7 has stated to his readers that "the end of all things is near", so this really means...?Last edited by Scrawly; 04-08-2018, 07:35 PM.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostI think you've gone off on a tangent."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThat's a rather unfair way of dismissing a post that seems very much relevant.
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