Should God Appear To Me?

[Sparko]

Believing in god, Believing in god! That's what it's about Sparko, stop being a dumbell. If for whatever reason one doesn't believe in the existence of this god, then that disbelief is why they are going to be punished. You don't ask a god that you don't believe exists to save you. That's one of your dumber arguments.

The devil and the demons believe in God and they are not saved.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

So no, believing in God doesn't save you and not believing in him doesn't condemn you. Your sins condemn you. And your faith saves you.

[JimL]

The devil and the demons believe in God and they are not saved.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

So no, believing in God doesn't save you and not believing in him doesn't condemn you. Your sins condemn you. And your faith saves you.

I see, so your sins condemn you. That means you're going to hell then, right? What's that you say? No? You're not going to Hell because you believe in god?

[Sparko]

I see, so your sins condemn you. That means you're going to hell then, right? What's that you say? No? You're not going to Hell because you believe in god?

I am not going to hell because I put my faith in Christ who paid for my sins. You are going to hell for your sins.

basically I asked the Governor for a pardon so I was set free. You don't believe in the Governor so you stay in jail for the crimes you committed.

Not believing in God just takes away your chance at salvation. Your damnation is due to your sins. You can't put your faith in something you don't believe in.

[Cerebrum123]

Believing in god, Believing in god! That's what it's about Sparko, stop being a dumbell. If for whatever reason one doesn't believe in the existence of this god, then that disbelief is why they are going to be punished. You don't ask a god that you don't believe exists to save you. That's one of your dumber arguments.

Even the demons believe that

[JimL]

Even the demons believe that

Before anything else you have to assent to his existence. In other words it's all about belief, and if you honestly don't believe in the invisible god, off to hell you go. Don't know why you guys can't admit to obvious facts!

[Cerebrum123]

Before anything else you have to assent to his existence. In other words it's all about belief, and if you honestly don't believe in the invisible god, off to hell you go. Don't know why you guys can't admit to obvious facts!

Read my post again, especially the first sentence. "Belief is necessary

[JimL]

Read my post again, especially the first sentence. "Belief is necessary

Hey dopey, before anything else you have to believe. Do you understand?

[Cerebrum123]

Hey dopey, before anything else you have to believe. Do you understand?

For the third time, yes, I do understand. I even stated it when I said "Belief is necessary, but insufficient for salvation". How many times do I have to say it before you get it?

[Sparko]

Before anything else you have to assent to his existence. In other words it's all about belief, and if you honestly don't believe in the invisible god, off to hell you go. Don't know why you guys can't admit to obvious facts!

You are putting the cart before the horse. NOBODY would go to hell if they did not sin. That is what sends people to hell. No sin, no hell. But since you have sinned the only way to stop going to hell is to accept the free gift of salvation, which you can't do if you don't believe in God.

[One Bad Pig]

For the third time, yes, I do understand. I even stated it when I said "Belief is necessary, but insufficient for salvation". How many times do I have to say it before you get it?

Consider with whom you're corresponding.

[JimL]

You are putting the cart before the horse. NOBODY would go to hell if they did not sin. That is what sends people to hell. No sin, no hell. But since you have sinned the only way to stop going to hell is to accept the free gift of salvation, which you can't do if you don't believe in God.

However it is you want to define sin, whether we were created or evolved, there is no such thing as a perfect person who does not sin, so the only relevant point is that in this world you must either believe in the Christian god or go to hell. In other words the fact that you are not perfect is an inherent fact of your existence, which would mean, according to your logic, that hell is your destiny-unless you believe in your god. So, what will you do in heaven, sin no more?

[JimL]

For the third time, yes, I do understand. I even stated it when I said "Belief is necessary, but insufficient for salvation". How many times do I have to say it before you get it?

Really? So what else is necessary? you'll always be a sinner by nature, right? So what else is necessary besides belief, and perhaps you could explain why belief is necessary too?

[Sparko]

Really? So what else is necessary? you'll always be a sinner by nature, right? So what else is necessary besides belief, and perhaps you could explain why belief is necessary too?

Believe that Jesus died for your sins and make him Lord of your life and ask him to forgive your sins and save you.

[JimL]

Believe that Jesus died for your sins and make him Lord of your life and ask him to forgive your sins and save you.

Yeah, you already said that, you first have to believe that Jesus exists and is god. That's the whole point, you have to believe the whole thing is not a fairy tale. Believe it or go to hell! ridiculous.

[Sparko]

Yeah, you already said that, you first have to believe that Jesus exists and is god. That's the whole point, you have to believe the whole thing is not a fairy tale. Believe it or go to hell! ridiculous.

duh. YOU do have to believe in God to go to heaven and be saved. But what you are being saved FROM is your own sins. So without God you pay for your own sins.

Your sins send you to hell, God saves you from hell. Now while you have to believe in God to be saved, you don't have to believe in him to be damned.