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Deeper Waters is founded on the belief that the Christian community has long been in the shallow end of Christianity while there are treasures of the deep waiting to be discovered. Too many in the shallow end are not prepared when they go out beyond those waters and are quickly devoured by sharks. We wish to aid Christians to equip them to navigate the deeper waters of the ocean of truth and come up with treasure in the end.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostHi rogue06,
Please let me clarify.
Both genealogies in Matt. 1 and Luke 3 trace Jesus' descent from David to Joseph in name as per Matt 1:16 and Luke 3:23. If Jesus did not a biological father, then Joseph was not his physical father and hence he could not be a physical descendant of David.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostEven if none of the genealogies in the gospels were tracing Jesus' descent from Mary to Joseph it does not mean Mary couldn't have been a descendant of David. And since ancient Jews tended to marry within the clan/relatives it's more likely than not that Mary was a descendant of David, even if none of the genealogies are hers, which is not certain at all.
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Originally posted by ReformedApologist View PostFunny how you ignore responses to people.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by ReformedApologist View PostFunny how you ignore responses to people. You do realize that in Hebrew Culture someone come become a Son or child by adoption legally. There are Biblical examples which were given. And you totally ignore them.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHe's only here to blog.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by ReformedApologist View PostAccording to the flesh is in regards to his mother Mary and human nature. Since he was born of a women. He was a son of David by his mother and adoption by his father. Your committing the fallacy of either-or.
Matthew 1:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
16 and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Luke 3:23 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
The Ancestors of Jesus
23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostMatthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 specifically trace the descent of Joseph (not Mary) to David. However, since Jesus had no biological father, Joseph could not be the biological father of Jesus and hence Jesus could not be descendant of David.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostBut Mary could still be a descendant of David even if none of the genealogies in the gospel trace her descent to David.
In anyway, it is not possible that Jesus is the son of David if both Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 namely trace the lineage of Joseph to David and Jesus had no biological father since he was born without father. Hence, Roman 1:3 is not true when saying Jesus is traced to David according to the flesh.
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