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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostYou've merely restated your objection, but not done any work to show that it is an actual objection.
God ordered infants killed, but we know God is both loving and just, therefore, we can be assured that those infants did not suffer anything unnecessarily, and that they have been completely re-compensated by God Himself for any loss they might have had.
Problem solved. Just as well God is loving and just otherwise Him ordering infants killed would be kind of bad.
Lets read out God order in 1 Samuel 15:3 as follows;
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys"
Once read, below are my questions;
1. Is God's order to kill infants an act of Holy God?
2. Is God's order to kill sheep an act of Just God?
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostHi MaxVel,
Lets read out God order in 1 Samuel 15:3 as follows;
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys"
Once read, below are my questions;
1. Is God's order to kill infants an act of Holy God?
2. Is God's order to kill sheep an act of Just God?
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostYou've merely restated your objection, but not done any work to show that it is an actual objection.
God ordered infants killed, but we know God is both loving and just, therefore, we can be assured that those infants did not suffer anything unnecessarily, and that they have been completely re-compensated by God Himself for any loss they might have had.
Problem solved. Just as well God is loving and just otherwise Him ordering infants killed would be kind of bad.
Lets read out God order in 1 Samuel 15:3 as follows;
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys"
Once read, below are my questions;
1. Is God's order to kill infants an act of Holy God?
2. Is God's order to kill sheep an act of Just God?
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostHi MaxVel,
Lets read out God order in 1 Samuel 15:3 as follows;
"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys"
Once read, below are my questions;
1. Is God's order to kill infants an act of Holy God?
2. Is God's order to kill sheep an act of Just God?
Now ask the important questions related to this matter.Last edited by tabibito; 06-03-2019, 12:20 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostYes.
Now ask the important questions related to this matter.
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One of the unfulfilled prophecy is in 1 Thess. 4. In 1 Thess. 4:16-17 Paul stated, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we ever be with the Lord." Hence, Paul expected to be taken bodily to heaven with others then living, but did not take place. Such expectation is proven with Paul's use of the word "we".
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostOne of the unfulfilled prophecy is in 1 Thess. 4. In 1 Thess. 4:16-17 Paul stated, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we ever be with the Lord." Hence, Paul expected to be taken bodily to heaven with others then living, but did not take place. Such expectation is proven with Paul's use of the word "we".
Your problem here is a failure to understand the force of "we" when it is coupled with "the living, the surviving until~." That sentence shows that members of the group - of which the speaker is a member - who are living at the time of the (second) advent will be taken up. The "we" includes anyone who might in future join with that group, and includes any members of that group who survive until the (second) advent. It speaks of a certainty with regard to what will happen for the members still living at that time, but makes no assumptions about whether any given individual - including the speaker - will survive til that date.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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I notice Hakeem doesn't answer any questions we have. I wonder why?
I will try again.
Hakeem, do you believe that Allah destroyed all life on earth except for Noah and his family in the flood? Including women and children and sheep?
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostYes - Paul and at least some of the disciples expected Christ to return in their own lifetimes.
Your problem here is a failure to understand the force of "we" when it is coupled with "the living, the surviving until~." That sentence shows that members of the group - of which the speaker is a member - who are living at the time of the (second) advent will be taken up. The "we" includes anyone who might in future join with that group, and includes any members of that group who survive until the (second) advent. It speaks of a certainty with regard to what will happen for the members still living at that time, but makes no assumptions about whether any given individual - including the speaker - will survive til that date.
1 Thess 4:17 says "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."
Paul in 1 Thess 4:17 uses "WE" which are alive. And that WE must include the speaker (i.e. Paul). Paul did not say "those" who are alive. He used WE, certainly showing he expected himself to be among those who would be alive at the second coming.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostPlease let me clarify;
1 Thess 4:17 says "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."
Paul in 1 Thess 4:17 uses "WE" which are alive. And that WE must include the speaker (i.e. Paul). Paul did not say "those" who are alive. He used WE, certainly showing he expected himself to be among those who would be alive at the second coming.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostNo - it doesn't. Koine Greek is not English. The rules of grammar and syntax are not always the same.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostOne of the unfulfilled prophecy is in 1 Thess. 4. In 1 Thess. 4:16-17 Paul stated, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we ever be with the Lord." Hence, Paul expected to be taken bodily to heaven with others then living, but did not take place. Such expectation is proven with Paul's use of the word "we".
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