Is Polygamy Wrong?

[Gary]

Your belief system is evil and immoral....except there's no such thing as evil and immoral really. It's just a pretend label we put on things....but my pretend label is true!

Take it up with the people who control our "herd", Nick. You can howl all you like, but this issue is settled, in OUR herd, at least.

[Apologiaphoenix]

Gary. If an opinion is subjective, it doesn't matter how many people think it's subjective. If all morality is subjective, there can't be any good reason to think any moral stance is true.

This isn't difficult. It's basic moral philosophy.

[One Bad Pig]

Take it up with the hundreds of millions of Americans, Canadians, Europeans, and other westerners who agree with my worldview (the majority of YOUR herd).

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[Adrift]

Your belief system is evil and immoral....except there's no such thing as evil and immoral really. It's just a pretend label we put on things....but my pretend label is true!

It really makes you wonder what sort of god he was worshipping when he claimed to be a Christian. Apparently it never occurred to him that one of the foundational reasons why we've accepted the God of the Judeo/Christian faith is because His character aligns with the ontology found in Natural Theology for the greatest conceivable being, which includes omnibenevolence. Gary's god was likely something closer to that found in Islam, or one purely of his own making.

[Apologiaphoenix]

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[Apologiaphoenix]

It really makes you wonder what sort of god he was worshipping when he claimed to be a Christian. Apparently it never occurred to him that one of the foundational reasons why we've accepted the God of the Judeo/Christian faith is because His character aligns with the ontology found in Natural Theology for the greatest conceivable being, which includes omnibenevolence. Gary's god was likely something closer to that found in Islam, or one purely of his own making.

How about morally therapeutic deism?

[Gary]

Gary. If an opinion is subjective, it doesn't matter how many people think it's subjective. If all morality is subjective, there can't be any good reason to think any moral stance is true.

This isn't difficult. It's basic moral philosophy.

I never claimed that any moral stance is "true". I only claimed that the modern, Western, moral stance...is!

The current, Western moral stance exists, like it or not, whether true or false in your worldview.

There is no "true" morality...only a morality that you personally choose to live by, whether than be the current morality of your "herd" or that of a minority in the herd, or your own morality. However, if whatever non-majority morality you choose to conduct your behavior within is too far outside the norms of morality of the herd, you just might find yourself expelled...or eliminated.

[Gary]

It really makes you wonder what sort of god he was worshipping when he claimed to be a Christian. Apparently it never occurred to him that one of the foundational reasons why we've accepted the God of the Judeo/Christian faith is because His character aligns with the ontology found in Natural Theology for the greatest conceivable being, which includes omnibenevolence. Gary's god was likely something closer to that found in Islam, or one purely of his own making.

Did your God drown young children and babies in a Great Flood due to the "sins" of the adults?
Did your God go through every house in ancient Egypt and kill the oldest child?
Did your God order the slaughter of every Amalekite child?

[Adrift]

I never claimed that any moral stance is "true". I only claimed that the modern, Western, moral stance...is!

I don't know how you can not be dying of embarrassment when you say things like this. And your complete lack of awareness combined with your smug self-confidence is practically cringe-inducing.

The current, Western moral stance exists, like it or not, true or false, in your worldview.

"Your worldview is that a current Western moral stance exists" Huh. Well that's quite the tautology, isn't it?

There is no "true" morality...only a morality that you personally choose to live by, whether than be the current morality of your "herd" or that of a minority in the herd, or your own morality.

So, you don't believe Christians and their God are "truly" immoral? Oh, good. Gary, here's an idea. Just an idea mind you. How bout you get off the internet for awhile, sit down with a notebook, and actually think through the dilemmas you create for yourself.

However, if whatever non-majority morality you choose to conduct your behavior within is too far outside the norms of morality of the herd, you just might find yourself expelled...or eliminated.

Won't be the first time Christians found themselves expelled and eliminated for standing for what they believe in. As the early church did, we'll continue accepting the lost, feeding the poor, and defending the right to life of the innocent while the societies we live in spit on us and curse us for refusing to conform and partake in your modern ritual group-think.

[Gary]

I don't know how you can not be dying of embarrassment when you say things like this. And your complete lack of awareness combined with your smug self-confidence is practically cringe-inducing.



"Your worldview is that a current Western moral stance exists" Huh. Well that's quite the tautology, isn't it?




So, you don't believe Christians and their God are "truly" immoral? Oh, good. Gary, here's an idea. Just an idea mind you. How bout you get off the internet for awhile, sit down with a notebook, and actually think through the dilemmas you create for yourself.



Won't be the first time Christians found themselves expelled and eliminated for standing for what they believe in. As the early church did, we'll continue accepting the lost, feeding the poor, and defending the right to life of the innocent while the societies we live in spit on us and curse us for refusing to conform and partake in your modern ritual group-think.

Your brainwashing is severe...

[Adrift]

Did your God drown young children and babies in a Great Flood due to the "sins" of the adults?
Did your God go through every house in ancient Egypt and kill the oldest child?
Did your God order the slaughter of every Amalekite child?

Well, I could show you how mankind walked itself out of God's hand of protection so that they suffered the consequences of a world already fallen, and were left to the whims of the devourer. I could point you to OT scholars who tell us that phrases like "utterly destroy to the last man, woman, and child" were never intended literally and were, in fact, a common type of war speech, I might even be able to explain theological concepts like Molinism which examine how free will and God's omniscience are compatible. But you've demonstrated for us that you've already got your mind made up about these things, and that you're too set in your bitterness, too programmed towards black and white thinking, and too intellectually lazy to consider that maybe the Judaeo/Christian God ain't the boogieman you think he is.

[Adrift]

Your brainwashing is severe...

Yeah...good comeback.

[Gary]

Yeah...good comeback.

The truth is what it is.

[One Bad Pig]

Yeah...good comeback.

Much, much easier than thinking through your position.

[Paula]

Gary, correct me if I am wrong, but you believe there are no objective values. Instead, you believe that people should obey whatever their society says because otherwise society might expel or punish them. So with this worldview (1) what is the basis for societal reform and (2) what is the basis for condemning another society?