Is anyone planning on seeing this film? I would ask if anyone thinks it is good history, but most people would consider that to be a question about modern standards of historical accuracy about events that actually happened. Ancient history is a little more wide reaching than that. For example, it typically includes mythical or moral dimensions that serve to create or confirm a communal or political identity and worldview. Thus, I would say that 300 was excellent ancient history, even though it was not accurate even by ancient standards of historical accuracy. It evokes well, I think, what it must have felt like to be a Spartan.
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Noah: Is this a good movie? Is it good ancient history?
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostIs anyone planning on seeing this film? I would ask if anyone thinks it is good history, but most people would consider that to be a question about modern standards of historical accuracy about events that actually happened. Ancient history is a little more wide reaching than that. For example, it typically includes mythical or moral dimensions that serve to create or confirm a communal or political identity and worldview. Thus, I would say that 300 was excellent ancient history, even though it was not accurate even by ancient standards of historical accuracy? It evokes well, I think, what it must have felt like to be a Spartan.
I'm intrigued by what you said about 300, though. The only people I've seen that defended it as historically accurate (before you ) have basically been teenage boys that only seemed to care about the swordfights in the movie. That's kind of beside the point, though.
I'll be interested to hear some other Christians' opinions of Noah.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI'm largely ambivalent about it. I'll probably see it at some point, but seeing that it came from Hollywood, my expectations are...not high.
I'm intrigued by what you said about 300, though. The only people I've seen that defended it as historically accurate (before you ) have basically been teenage boys that only seemed to care about the swordfights in the movie. That's kind of beside the point, though.
I'll be interested to hear some other Christians' opinions of Noah.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostNo, I said it was NOT historically accurate, even by ancient standards of historical accuracy. Nonetheless, I think it was good ancient history because of the other purposes and functions of ancient history.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostIs anyone planning on seeing this film? I would ask if anyone thinks it is good history, but most people would consider that to be a question about modern standards of historical accuracy about events that actually happened. Ancient history is a little more wide reaching than that. For example, it typically includes mythical or moral dimensions that serve to create or confirm a communal or political identity and worldview. Thus, I would say that 300 was excellent ancient history, even though it was not accurate even by ancient standards of historical accuracy. It evokes well, I think, what it must have felt like to be a Spartan.
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Originally posted by OingoBoingo View Post... I'm a huge fan of Darren Aronofsky's work ...
Now, I should say, I like it when a movie creatively re-interprets a book and adds or even changes some things. A book is much more than a screenplay, and a movie is a whole 'nother medium and should not try to be a book. Coming after the book, a movie can best emulate (in the literal sense of the word) the book by re-interpreting it and trying to surpass it in a sense. I know many people will disagree with that perspective, and people who only want to see the biblical narrative and nothing more will not like this movie. But I really liked it.
Is it good ancient history? I'm not so sure. It was definitely a good story with obvious mythic proportions. Strangely, except for the one part I didn't particularly care for, it captured the mythic proportions in the most realistic way I could imagine.
If all of the above sounds rather weird, well I am a little weird, but I tried to give my impression of the film without giving away anything.Last edited by robrecht; 03-28-2014, 11:22 PM.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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I probably won't see this film till next week, but it sounds right up my alley. Again, as an Aronofsky fan, I'm expecting weird, so that's no problem, and like Mark Goodacre, who's also a movie nut, I love seeing Hollywood interpretations of Biblical themes, even if they stray far from the source material. Artistic license is something you ought to expect, even if its something as far out as Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ (which I thought was not so great). The previews for this looked amazing, so I'm looking forward to it, and your review sounds very good. I'll go in with low expectations, and hoping it turns out better than expected. Hopefully I get a noisy audience too, but that's icing on the cake for me.
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Originally posted by OingoBoingo View PostArtistic license is something you ought to expect, even if its something as far out as Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ (which I thought was not so great).Last edited by robrecht; 03-28-2014, 11:54 PM.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostI loved Kazantzakis' book, The Last Temptation of Christ, but the movie was lousy in my opinion.
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I heard that Noah didn't mention God. Is that true?That's what
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI heard that Noah didn't mention God. Is that true?
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI heard that Noah didn't mention God. Is that true?אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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